Lousy/Loser Recruit and Host Candidate (Vent)

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Discussion Overview

This thread features participants sharing their frustrations regarding a recruit who has not engaged in the expected efforts to host a show. Several users recount their experiences with similar situations, expressing disappointment in the lack of commitment from the recruit and discussing the ethical implications of taking over the show.

Discussion Character

  • Anecdotal
  • Opinion-based
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, identifying as a consultant, expresses frustration over a recruit's lack of effort in booking shows, despite initial enthusiasm.
  • Another participant shares their view that it may not be unethical to take over the show since the orders were collected by the consultant.
  • Several users mention that they feel the recruit should not benefit from the show if they did not contribute to its success.
  • One participant suggests returning the recruit's agreement and check, indicating that the recruit is not ready to commit to the business.
  • Another participant humorously notes that many seem to share the same sentiment regarding the situation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the recruit's lack of effort is disappointing and that the consultant has a valid reason to consider taking over the show. However, there is no clear consensus on the ethical implications of doing so.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects personal experiences and frustrations within the consultant community regarding recruitment and hosting challenges, emphasizing the emotional investment in these relationships.

Who May Find This Useful

Consultants who have faced similar challenges with recruits or hosts may find the shared experiences and opinions relevant to their own situations.

susanr613
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Hi -

Sorry I have to vent. I'm sure many of you have been through similar experiences.

I met "Gina" at my house of worship a few weeks ago, the day before a fundraiser for the house of worship. She seemed very nice and sociable, and came to the fundraiser. At that time, she told me that she was looking for a flexible way to earn extra cash and was interested in PC. We met the next day and she signed, postdating to March 16. We filled in the dates on her agreement with the understanding that her next steps were to book those dates. We even came up with a list of 15 people.

I checked in with her daily, and she told me that she had called 10 people and they all said NO. I asked her to tell me why they should book a show, and her response was "Because they feel sorry for me." I tried to coach her away from that, but the attitude persisted. Needless to say, she did not book any shows. So, I suggested that I do a show for her this past weekend (3/15) and the booking would be hers. She thought it was a great idea. We customized the evite to that effect and she sent about 20 evites. She told me that she also passed around a flyer at a local weight-loss place where she exercises.

The night before the show, I called to see how many people. No response. I called again the morning of the show. Gina let me know that 2 of the 4 people who RSVPed yes cancelled. She didn't sound very upset. So...we decided to turn it into a catalog show.

A week later, I have collected $250 in outside orders, and have heard nervous laughs from her when I encourage (ok tell) her to follow up with the people who had expressed an interest. I know what's going to happen - her show will be my $250 in outside orders. I am ok with doing that for someone who has made an effort, but she has not. I e-mailed her today to ask if she's even interested in what little discount she's earned, and the Host Special.

I am, quite frankly, POed that someone would sign a contract and then take it so lightly. I am POed that someone would see me making an effort on her behalf, and not acknowledge or return the effort. Most of all, I am POed at myself for getting all excited about future director and violating my director's rule - book 4 shows, then sign.

I am very tempted to take over the show as my own, but that would be unethical. It will be very difficult to be anything other than polite to her when I see her at our house of worship. I have zero respect for her.

Thank you for letting me vent!
 
I am very tempted to take over the show as my own, but that would be unethical.


How is it unethical, you did do all the work? I can see why you would want to let her still have the benefits, but if she didn't do anything on her part, does she really deserve them?
 
susanr613 said:
Hi -

Sorry I have to vent. I'm sure many of you have been through similar experiences.

I met "Gina" at my house of worship a few weeks ago, the day before a fundraiser for the house of worship. She seemed very nice and sociable, and came to the fundraiser. At that time, she told me that she was looking for a flexible way to earn extra cash and was interested in PC. We met the next day and she signed, postdating to March 16. We filled in the dates on her agreement with the understanding that her next steps were to book those dates. We even came up with a list of 15 people.

I checked in with her daily, and she told me that she had called 10 people and they all said NO. I asked her to tell me why they should book a show, and her response was "Because they feel sorry for me." I tried to coach her away from that, but the attitude persisted. Needless to say, she did not book any shows. So, I suggested that I do a show for her this past weekend (3/15) and the booking would be hers. She thought it was a great idea. We customized the evite to that effect and she sent about 20 evites. She told me that she also passed around a flyer at a local weight-loss place where she exercises.

The night before the show, I called to see how many people. No response. I called again the morning of the show. Gina let me know that 2 of the 4 people who RSVPed yes cancelled. She didn't sound very upset. So...we decided to turn it into a catalog show.

A week later, I have collected $250 in outside orders, and have heard nervous laughs from her when I encourage (ok tell) her to follow up with the people who had expressed an interest. I know what's going to happen - her show will be my $250 in outside orders. I am ok with doing that for someone who has made an effort, but she has not. I e-mailed her today to ask if she's even interested in what little discount she's earned, and the Host Special.

I am, quite frankly, POed that someone would sign a contract and then take it so lightly. I am POed that someone would see me making an effort on her behalf, and not acknowledge or return the effort. Most of all, I am POed at myself for getting all excited about future director and violating my director's rule - book 4 shows, then sign.

I am very tempted to take over the show as my own, but that would be unethical. It will be very difficult to be anything other than polite to her when I see her at our house of worship. I have zero respect for her.

Thank you for letting me vent!

How is it unethical to turn in the show as your own, when you are the one that collected all of the orders? Technically, it is your show. In my opinion, it would be unethical to let her turn in the show as hers when you are the one who actually gathered the orders.

Personally, I would give her back her contract, and let her know that when she is ready to make an effort, you'll be glad to help her get started.
 
Well, sounds like she is being a kit-napper!!! I would take the orders and put it in myself! Your the one who collected the orders with no help from her and it seems like she has put zero effort into it. Maybe talk with her and ask her if she is serious about this business and explain that you are, so unless she gets her act together you are taking the party for your own.
 
Well, I guess we were all typing at the same time, and all feel the same!! LOL
 
If you collected all of the orders there is nothing unethical about you turning that in as your show. I would tell her that since she did not get any orders you will need to submit those orders yourself. I agree that you should just return her agreement to her. She is not ready to commit to the business.
 
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wow - thanks so much for the support! i know for sure that i am going to have the products delivered to my house. the last thing i need is for her to hold on to them forever. as for the show itself, i may very well let her know that if she does not collect any orders, then i will take over the show.

i never did turn in her agreement, so fortunately PC has not wasted a kit or the paperwork. she wrote a check for the kit, and i am going to keep it up on my bulletin board to remind me to do things BY THE BOOK :-)
 
susanr613 said:
wow - thanks so much for the support! i know for sure that i am going to have the products delivered to my house. the last thing i need is for her to hold on to them forever. as for the show itself, i may very well let her know that if she does not collect any orders, then i will take over the show.

i never did turn in her agreement, so fortunately PC has not wasted a kit or the paperwork. she wrote a check for the kit, and i am going to keep it up on my bulletin board to remind me to do things BY THE BOOK :-)

You should probably return the check to her too...but make a copy for that board. ;)

Good luck with her!
 
I agree with everyone else, you worked to get those orders. This may sound harsh but if I have orders to add to a show I usually will add them to the host that worked the hardest for me. If they work hard for me then I will help them as much as I can. The same would go for a recruit.... we are all on the same team if you got my back I got yours too idea. Hope this makes sense. :chef:
 
I would definately take the orders that I collected and turn them in for myself. If she has not collected any orders why should she get the benefits? You just HAPPEND to have collected orders - what if you didn't have any... she would get nothing. And if she gets the benefits for doing nothing who will she tell and what will they expect from you in the future?

I do add orders to my hosts shows when I get them but like someone mentioned I have learned to NOT tell my hosts about it until we have totaled up what they have - I want to make sure they work as hard as they need to and my additions are a reward for thier hard work.

Sorry you have to deal with this lady - at least you were proactive enough to not turn her stuff in yet so she doesn't have the kit!
 
I agree too, and what if she did sign and never did a show?
Or you'd be on her every minute of the day to book or whatever..you don't want someone on your team like that anyway.
 
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thanks so much for the confidence boosters, cheffers. i spoke with her this evening and told her that since all the orders are mine, the show is mine too. she didn't protest one bit

thanks again for your help!
 
We met the next day and she signed, postdating to March 16.

I am very tempted to take over the show as my own, but that would be unethical.

Well....postdating is a big clue in this unethical tale. You posted this yesterday, 20 March. If the contract was dated 16 March, it was antedated.

Which is another ethical dilemma, hmmm?



edit- never mind, I read your post again. I just don't understand why the date fiddling was going on.
 

Frequently Asked Questions

What should I do if I feel like I have a lousy recruit or host candidate?

It's important to remember that not every candidate will be a perfect fit for your team or event. Focus on providing support and encouragement to help them improve. If they continue to show disinterest or lack of commitment, it may be best to redirect your efforts toward more enthusiastic candidates.

How can I identify a 'loser' recruit or host candidate early on?

Look for signs of disinterest or lack of engagement during initial conversations. If they are unresponsive to follow-ups, show little enthusiasm for the products, or are not willing to participate actively in the process, they may not be the right fit for your team.

What are some strategies to motivate a recruit or host candidate who seems unenthusiastic?

Try to connect with them on a personal level to understand their motivations. Share success stories, provide positive reinforcement, and set achievable goals together. Sometimes, a little encouragement and a clear vision can reignite their passion for the opportunity.

Is it worth my time to continue pursuing a candidate who seems like a poor fit?

While it's important to invest time in nurturing potential recruits, it's equally crucial to recognize when to move on. If a candidate consistently shows disinterest or negativity, it may be more beneficial to focus your energy on those who are eager and excited about the opportunity.

How can I handle my frustration with a 'lousy' recruit or host candidate professionally?

It's natural to feel frustrated, but maintaining professionalism is key. Focus on constructive feedback and keep communication open. If you need to vent, consider discussing your feelings with a trusted colleague or mentor who can provide support and perspective.

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