What would you wish for at HO's Leadership event?

[ChefBeckyD]

I agree that in that kind of case it is not right that she should get so much for doing nothing but if the director is working her business she shouldn't be penalized because she inspired someone to promote past her just because some others don't work their business.

So, maybe there just needs to be some sort of recruiting requirement, or proof that you are holding meetings and training your downline...of something...so that you do have to keep working your business, and can't just sit and let others work while you rake in the $$. (around here, that smacks of Amway....probably makes us more sensitive to it.)

 

[BethCooks4U]

So, maybe there just needs to be some sort of recruiting requirement, or proof that you are holding meetings and training your downline...of something...so that you do have to keep working your business, and can't just sit and let others work while you rake in the $$. (around here, that smacks of Amway....probably makes us more sensitive to it.)

I totally agree. I know that HO is calling new consultants now and asking if they are getting support from their director so it is possible that they are already working toward that end.

 

[stefani2]

I agree - better fundraiser - a raise would be nice though too.

 

[chefmeg]

So, maybe there just needs to be some sort of recruiting requirement, or proof that you are holding meetings and training your downline...of something...so that you do have to keep working your business, and can't just sit and let others work while you rake in the $$. (around here, that smacks of Amway....probably makes us more sensitive to it.)

and I think the "Amway" attitude is what we all fear the most, so it truly needs to be addressed. I never knew there were so many D's there that really didn't help their teams until I saw proof on CS, so the situation needs to address how they hold us responsible for what we signed and said we would do!

 

[ChefBeckyD]

I totally agree. I know that HO is calling new consultants now and asking if they are getting support from their director so it is possible that they are already working toward that end.

I didn't know that! That is a great step in the right direction!

 

[chefshawna]

As a director in re-promotion due to illness (Thyroid Cancer), I would like to see some type of leave of absense that gives you time to recover from something like this. I am quite certain I will lose everything I have worked for when this is all said and done!

Would the personal sales waiver help you?? I put one in for me, but I don't know how it works for directors. But, I completely agree with you. I don't have a team under me yet, but I think that's a good thing, because I wouldn't be able to do anything for them right now! HO should be flexible in certain situations, ie: illness

 

[BethCooks4U]

Would the personal sales waiver help you?? I put one in for me, but I don't know how it works for directors. But, I completely agree with you. I don't have a team under me yet, but I think that's a good thing, because I wouldn't be able to do anything for them right now! HO should be flexible in certain situations, ie: illness

Directors can put in a personal sales waiver but there is nothing they can do about losing their team if they go past repromotion.


If a director doesn't have $750 in personal sales, 5 active consultants and $4000 in team sales she goes into reliquishment and then repromotion. If she has a health problem that keeps her from doing her personal business she can get a sales waiver but her team still has to have the 5 consultants and $4000 team sales. If she can't do her personal business it's hard to be recruiting and often even to keep the team motivated to do their businesses. If she's new or has a small team she has little chance to keep her directorship. I think this needs to change - of course the reason has to be a good one - but there should be some way for a director to save her directorship when circumstances are beyond her control.

That being said, Pampered Chef does give a new director the first 3 months (they don't count toward relinquishment) and after that 3 months relinquishment then 3 months repromotion so she has 6 to 9 months to get healthy and working again. Many businesses don't do that, especially in DS.

 

[amy07]

What if that director is an SD who doesn't do ANYTHING except meet the bare minimums monthly (Doesn't even have a website!) in order to collect the $8000 in commission she makes monthly from first line who have all promoted past her? I know someone like this, and it is totally unfair. She actually earned TPC in 2 categories this past year without working for it at all, and didn't even realize she was supposed to walk the stage. THAT is how out of it she is.

Oh, HO Lurkers.................Please take note!


That is EXACTLY the kind of blatant abuse of the current policies I'd LOVE to see addressed! For the amount of commission overrides that HO could save, we ALL could see an increase in our commission structure and better a Fundraiser program. I'm sure this is NOT the only example. I do NOT know who Becky is referring to, nor do I care to know. But I think examples (and we all know some) like this is EXACTLY what gives this business a bad reputation!

 

[amy07]

And for clarification, I do NOT think PC has a bad reputation. Just DS in general can get a bad name for this type of thing

 

[chefann]

What if that director is an SD who doesn't do ANYTHING except meet the bare minimums monthly (Doesn't even have a website!) in order to collect the $8000 in commission she makes monthly from first line who have all promoted past her? I know someone like this, and it is totally unfair. She actually earned TPC in 2 categories this past year without working for it at all, and didn't even realize she was supposed to walk the stage. THAT is how out of it she is.

So, maybe there just needs to be some sort of recruiting requirement, or proof that you are holding meetings and training your downline...of something...so that you do have to keep working your business, and can't just sit and let others work while you rake in the $$. (around here, that smacks of Amway....probably makes us more sensitive to it.)

Oh, HO Lurkers.................Please take note!


That is EXACTLY the kind of blatant abuse of the current policies I'd LOVE to see addressed! For the amount of commission overrides that HO could save, we ALL could see an increase in our commission structure and better a Fundraiser program. I'm sure this is NOT the only example. I do NOT know who Becky is referring to, nor do I care to know. But I think examples (and we all know some) like this is EXACTLY what gives this business a bad reputation!

One way that part of that issue could be addressed would be to require minimums in various business activities to achieve TPC, and make those minimums higher than the minimums to keep Directorship. One of my former upline achieved TPC within the last couple of years, and has been doing bare minimums (not even every month, either). It wouldn't eliminate the people who work the system, but it would prevent them from being recognized and awarded with TPC.

 

[DebbieJ]

A lot of you mentioned getting a raise. There is one way to get a raise--do more shows. Based on conversations with a few folks in high places, I am fairly confident a raise will not be coming.

 

[PamperChefCarol]

Regarding a change in the fundraiser percentage, we had a HO person come to our leadership "retreat" last fall and she pretty much said that fundraising is not PC's focus, and that changes in that wouldn't be a priority for PC.

Personally, for me, I would like some sort of reward for number of shows submitted. Maybe points toward the trips, in addition to our sales.

Now where is the "what I wish for in the way of new products thread?"

Ok, I will go and start one... I am off.

 

[chefjeanine]

I'm not looking for a raise, I'm happy with our compensation.

I would LOVE :love: it if we got incentive points on the Host's purchases. That would be wonderful!!!

It would be nice if our fund raising percentages started at 15% and went to 20%.

 

[BethCooks4U]

One way that part of that issue could be addressed would be to require minimums in various business activities to achieve TPC, and make those minimums higher than the minimums to keep Directorship. One of my former upline achieved TPC within the last couple of years, and has been doing bare minimums (not even every month, either). It wouldn't eliminate the people who work the system, but it would prevent them from being recognized and awarded with TPC.

Yeah, unfortunately (well, fortunately for them I guess) the requirements for Upper Level Directors are actually less than for Directors and below. The thought process is that their time is taken up with training their downlines. Funny thing - I rarely get anything from anyone higher than my director. My director wasn't passing things on so we didn't get any of that training but now she resigned so I am now under my ED (who I just love!) so I get much better training - and it's obvious she works her business and is always mentioned in the CN. She offers training to our downlines - we just have to let her and them know about it. We directors have to participate in that but hello! that's how we advance too. Wish I was aware of that a couple years ago! She doesn't pass down much from our NED but I have to think that some of what she shares comes from there. My NED is under a couple other NEDs (MJR for one) and I never get any of that training (unless it's posted on CS or DCS)!:cry:

I think the more people you have between your NED or SED or ED the less training you get. They don't want to undermine the director but I wish they'd still send it down. I think they lose out on some awesome consultants who would surely achieve great things if they just had some guidance.

 

[chefann]

I totally hear what you're saying, Beth. I don't know how much info was sent along from my NED that wasn't passed along by my former upline. It's frustrating.But I don't think that a $12,000 annual personal sales requirement in order to get TPC in First Line Cluster Sales or Overall Cluster Sales is excessive. That's only $1000 a month - 2-3 shows. And it shows that the upper level director in question is serious about their business and not trying to float along on the efforts of their team.Edit: I just double-checked the TPC requirements, and there is a $15k personal sales requirement on the categories I specifically mentioned. I don't see how someone could meet that requirement without working their business.

 

[rennea]

I would like to see an incentive track for consultants that don't have a knack or desire to recruit. They love the products and the parties, but leading a team is just not for them.
I would have to second (or third) the wish to earn incentive points for the Host 1/2 price and 60% items.

A higher commission rate. Even if it is just 5% that would be a good increase from where we are now. That little bit can make a huge difference in a family's budget.

I second that!!!!

 

[BethCooks4U]

I totally hear what you're saying, Beth. I don't know how much info was sent along from my NED that wasn't passed along by my former upline. It's frustrating.

But I don't think that a $12,000 annual personal sales requirement in order to get TPC in First Line Cluster Sales or Overall Cluster Sales is excessive. That's only $1000 a month - 2-3 shows. And it shows that the upper level director in question is serious about their business and not trying to float along on the efforts of their team.

I was not at all disagreeing with you. I agree that they should have at least those minimum requirements. What I was saying is that they don't evidently because of their administrative duties.

The salaries I have real problems with are the executives in the company. How many managers do we really need and can you imagine what they make? I'm not just talking sales managers, I'm talking all those department managers and top dogs at HO.

 

[chefann]

My wish for Leadership announcements is an overhaul of the HWC program. I think the products need to be revamped so that they're things people can actually use multiples of (and are therefore more likely to be used). I'd also like to see the money go to research instead of just awareness and education. I had several customers this year not purchase because it didn't fund research. I think it should also be expanded to cover cancer in general - lots of the people to whom I spoke either were sick of breast cancer FRs, or would rather fund programs for other cancers.

 

[pamperedlinda]

Revamp the Fundraiser program

Make HWC more interesting (I like Ann's ideas)

Trip points on Host order

Quit making the Trifle Bowl the host special

Incentives that Hobbiest Consultants can achieve

 

[ChefBeckyD]

Revamp the Fundraiser program

Make HWC more interesting (I like Ann's ideas)

Trip points on Host order

Quit making the Trifle Bowl the host special

Incentives that Hobbiest Consultants can achieve

YES!!! No matter what HO might think, people don't really want multiples of this! It's not much of an incentive for those that already have it.

 

[Teresa Lynn]

go back to offering a gift card at level 1
I probably won't achieve level 2 this year and not 1 of those things offered appeal to me.I would also like to see HWC products more unique or special like Ann mentioned i mean how many pink gloves and brushes does 1 person need? I would like to see us offer a pink piece of stoneware

 

[jrodeo]

Revamp the Fundraiser program

Make HWC more interesting (I like Ann's ideas)

Trip points on Host order

Quit making the Trifle Bowl the host special
Incentives that Hobbiest Consultants can achieve

Ha-a-ah!

Since this is my first few months I didn't realize certain things are offered as the special over and over. Does HO usually offer the same things the same month each year?

Didn't mean to hijack . . .

I would love to see a better HWC program.

And as far as the discussion on the directors receiving mucho moolah for not doing much, I'm really disappointed to hear this. I was in a previous DS company (can we spell lingerie) where that was a real hot issue and one of the reasons I left.

 

[chefmeg]

Ha-a-ah!

Since this is my first few months I didn't realize certain things are offered as the special over and over. Does HO usually offer the same things the same month each year?

Didn't mean to hijack . . .

I would love to see a better HWC program.

And as far as the discussion on the directors receiving mucho moolah for not doing much, I'm really disappointed to hear this. I was in a previous DS company (can we spell lingerie) where that was a real hot issue and one of the reasons I left.[/QUOTE]

Julie~don't let this upset you....the great majority of Director's and above are very good and upfront and willing to share and support a team. You know the saying "a few bad apples"...it applies to any setting! I think that if HO gives "established" Director's training similar to the New Director Academy, they may weed out the ones that get "money for nothing"!

 

[Chef Kearns]

I have to agree with Meg. There are Directors out there skimming the system and making a bad name for themselves (and PC), however I do not think it is a prolific issue. It does happen, but I think in the scheme of things it is less frequent than it seems on CS.

 

[DebbieJ]

Revamp the Fundraiser program

Make HWC more interesting (I like Ann's ideas)

Trip points on Host order

Quit making the Trifle Bowl the host special

Incentives that Hobbiest Consultants can achieve

Agreed. People will buy this for $39. No need to make it a special.

 

[amy07]

I have to agree with Meg. There are Directors out there skimming the system and making a bad name for themselves (and PC), however I do not think it is a prolific issue. It does happen, but I think in the scheme of things it is less frequent than it seems on CS.

I hope its not too! BUT, back to my original posting, it allowed for a Consultant to have a way to "come out from under" their immediate upline without having to resign or go inactive for a year.

 

[chefmeg]

I hope its not too! BUT, back to my original posting, it allowed for a Consultant to have a way to "come out from under" their immediate upline without having to resign or go inactive for a year.

and if this happened, HO would see who the Director was that a consultant was leaving and if there were a pattern, they could address it!

 

[PamperChefCarol]

I think they should make one of the HWC items one that we already have, for example.. make a pink can opener. That I could sell. Or how about a pink food chopper??? Something that people will use all the time. Just my 2 cents.

 

[fikibiff]

I would like to see a trade-in program for restyled tools, at least for consultants. There could even be a version for customers. Maybe 20% off the new product with the return of the old product. HO could donate the old product and sell more of the new stuff.

 

[Chef Kearns]

That's a good idea Niki! I can't tell you how many times someone will see the new design and wish they they had it instead. Then they get pissed! I'm sad for them.

But as consultants we can earn the new styled products. Like next month with SAT!!