Leadership News Day #2 Post Here........

[baychef]

Thank you. I forgot to add all of that. Plus, my D said the override is 2% for team leaders, and 3% for director. I don't know if that's how it's always been, but my D is thinking it's a lot of work for not a lot of $.

She also said she could lose her team like THAT (think snapping fingers). One month, she could be a D, the next month not, the following month a D...and so on.

Well, right now a Future Director receives 1% of her sales and her 2 recruits sales. 3% for Directors right now. There are so many details such as even this $150 to remain active. We may have people go down in status right there. I do agree that $150 in sales per month still is not alot to ask. I know January is tough but I was able to get on the phone and get 3 bookings last weekend for January (I only had one on the books).

They do provide us with so much more training videos and material so as a leader, they are making us accountable for keeping everyone active. But there are 2 sides to every sword.

 

[jwpamp]

Also heard that Inactive Consultants who are without sales for 6 months are deleted from the system and have to repurchase the kit to start over. Used to be 12 months.I think that it is a good timeline, if they are gone, they are gone, you know?And yes, Jess:
"but my D is thinking it's a lot of work for not a lot of $."

I was thinking the same thing!

 

[baychef]

Also heard that Inactive Consultants who are without sales for 6 months are deleted from the system and have to repurchase the kit to start over. Used to be 12 months.

I think that it is a good timeline, if they are gone, they are gone, you know?

Very much agree. We have one girl who has signed up once with some consultant we did not know and twice with one of my downline. We are wondering if HO would let her purchase a 4th kit? She gave one to charity and she sent one back so it is not as if she is ripping off the system. Just can't understand why someone would do all of that and never follow through.

 

[BethCooks4U]

Also heard that Inactive Consultants who are without sales for 6 months are deleted from the system and have to repurchase the kit to start over. Used to be 12 months.

I think that it is a good timeline, if they are gone, they are gone, you know?

And yes, Jess:
"but my D is thinking it's a lot of work for not a lot of $."

I was thinking the same thing!

I have had several who have gone more than 6 months and then started back up. Oh, I have to stop reading all this and wait for the whole picture. Not a good feeling. So if we become team leaders we lose our production bonus and free products and 1% of our sales override (someone said TL's get HO leads). Anything else?

 

[baychef]

I have had several who have gone more than 6 months and then started back up. Oh, I have to stop reading all this and wait for the whole picture. Not a good feeling. So if we become team leaders we lose our production bonus and free products and 1% of our sales override (someone said TL's get HO leads). Anything else?

Ok, now I don't like that TO's will get HO leads. :grumpy: But it sounds like they are going to disappoint everyone so we might as well all be disappointed. Now I think I know why that room was so quiet.:thumbdown:

 

[jwpamp]

So if we become team leaders we lose our production bonus and free products and 1% of our sales override (someone said TL's get HO leads). Anything else?

Goodness, I hope NOT!!!!One good thing about the 6-month thing is that if they are inactive and leave, they can RE-SIGN under you and you will get credit again sooner than now. I am hoping that they will make it a 6-month waiting time after they leave??? Who knows?

 

[ChefChris]

I just have a hard time with depending on your team to recruit. Some people start this business just to fill their kitchen and keep the discount - and are not interested in recruiting. Then there are others that want to do this business for a paycheck but don't even want to think of recruiting. I have 4 on my team (1 just signed 12/31) and the 3 that are active right now really haven't done a lot with their business - they stay active and have a show here and there some more than others but haven't thought about recruiting. So even after my 4th qualifies I don't have any downline that have recruits and may not want to. I really have felt very disappointed about this announcement. I can understand how it can help build our team once it is built and you have people under you that want to become more than just a consultant but to get to directorship I think is more difficult because it is not just 4 recruits but 4 recruits that are actively recruiting themselves. I hope all of this is more clear on the website at 1pm on Saturday. Feeling a little hopeless in Minnesota - it snowed again today and now this news.

 

[pamperedpals]

I hope CC doesn't go down with everyone logging into find out the details of this new program.

 

[Jayne]

My Director said for Team Leaders to get Home office leads you have to have 1250 in personal sales 3 of 4 months. Team Leaders also get 30% discount on personal orders vs 20%

Each new recruit you attain becomes a new line...she recruits 1 and becomes a Senior Consultant. To stay an active line they have to do 150 in sales together. So if SC does no sales and new recruit does 150 it is still an active line.

There are only direct and indirect lines now. My personal recruits are direct line and my recruits recruits are my indirect line.

Team leaders have to have $750 in personal sales and $2500 in team sales to receive over rides. Over rides are 2% on personl sales, 2% on direct line sales and 1% on indirect line. (Senior consultants get 1% over rides on personal and 1% on direct line)

You no longer loose your recruits when you go into delinquishment.

 

[baychef]

I just have a hard time with depending on your team to recruit. Some people start this business just to fill their kitchen and keep the discount - and are not interested in recruiting. Then there are others that want to do this business for a paycheck but don't even want to think of recruiting. I have 4 on my team (1 just signed 12/31) and the 3 that are active right now really haven't done a lot with their business - they stay active and have a show here and there some more than others but haven't thought about recruiting. So even after my 4th qualifies I don't have any downline that have recruits and may not want to. I really have felt very disappointed about this announcement. I can understand how it can help build our team once it is built and you have people under you that want to become more than just a consultant but to get to directorship I think is more difficult because it is not just 4 recruits but 4 recruits that are actively recruiting themselves. I hope all of this is more clear on the website at 1pm on Saturday. Feeling a little hopeless in Minnesota - it snowed again today and now this news.

I can understand. At first it sounded like they were going to make it easier, but now as details emerge, it does not sound that way at all. For me, I will remain a director but can see now that I will have to work with my team much tighter to keep their team members active. Like you say, there are some that just want to sell. Boy, there is a lot to think about, but please don't worry right now. We still have to see the details and we still have to until April to get our downlines excited. It may be more attractive for them to recruit because they stand to gain income even with their first recruit. So we need to find that silver lining. And the snow...I love it...send it please!

 

[Get_Pampered]

I just finished reading all of this and am wondering...is our company heavy in the number of Directors we have? In other words, are there "too many" at the Director level? Maybe they find people get "stuck" at that level and want to try to fix that? I really don't know what I am talking about...just a thought that crossed my mind. I have been so amazed by each director I have met that, if any of you did get a bump down, I think it would be very temporary!

 

[cookn' katie]

Now I just got off the phone with my director, she is sooo excited about the new plan. She said that she is more excited about PC than she has been in years. She said that the new plan will get rid of alot of directors who aren't pulling their weight. She also sees herself and us making more money. I am not going to get to worried about this until I see the big picture tomorrow. This company is always looking out for us and I know they always will. Lets not get our panties in a bunch until we get the full story! Katie

 

[priscilla]

But if I read this all correctly, Team Leaders/Future Directors will get some great benefits...HO leads, still get the override on your recruits and it starts with one recruit rather than two. So, you may still have to rely on your team recruiting to get Directorship OR sell more yourself (no reliance on anyone else), but you get more advantages under this systme than the old one if you have recruits that do not recruit.

I am glad. I have never been able to get more than two active recruits at once, and I am ecstatic that I can obtain directorship entirely on my own if I work hard for it. Also, I am glad they are spreading the wealth with regards to HO leads. That in itself can be a big boon to building a team and getting the sales needed to be a director.

Robin

 

[baychef]

Now I just got off the phone with my director, she is sooo excited about the new plan. She said that she is more excited about PC than she has been in years. She said that the new plan will get rid of alot of directors who aren't pulling their weight. She also sees herself and us making more money. I am not going to get to worried about this until I see the big picture tomorrow. This company is always looking out for us and I know they always will. Lets not get our panties in a bunch until we get the full story! Katie

LOL!!! Thanks for the post! I prefer to put my Big Girl Panties on...it is so much more comfortable than have them in a bunch!

I am glad to hear some one excited about it!

 

[PampMomof3]

My SD is also really excited about it!!

 

[raebates]

This is why, while it's great to get news from those attending, I don't get too up in arms until I see the official stuff from HO. I know that when I hear something it's easy for me to react emotionally and miss some of the details. Try to remember that we're getting everything at least second-hand and sometimes third- or fourth- hand. There are bound to be those that aren't happy with the new rules and some who love them. Everything will be much clearer when the HO posts the changes. Same goes for the new products. I'm very grateful to those who have posted the products and the SAT levels. I won't start making plans for anything, though, until I see the list from the HO. Just my humble opinion.

 

[baychef]

But if I read this all correctly, Team Leaders/Future Directors will get some great benefits...HO leads, still get the override on your recruits and it starts with one recruit rather than two. So, you may still have to rely on your team recruiting to get Directorship OR sell more yourself (no reliance on anyone else), but you get more advantages under this systme than the old one if you have recruits that do not recruit.

I am glad. I have never been able to get more than two active recruits at once, and I am ecstatic that I can obtain directorship entirely on my own if I work hard for it. Also, I am glad they are spreading the wealth with regards to HO leads. That in itself can be a big boon to building a team and getting the sales needed to be a director.

Robin

This is true, however, the more consultants that have access, the thinner the pool will be for everyone. (not saying that sharing is bad...but am saying that this will not be much to boost your business). HO leads are good but I have had about 50% of the leads turn out to be dead ends. Now that percentage will go down. One HO lead was a consultant in a different state wanting to see how close a consultant was to her parents. Another was a guy who lended pictures to some consultant that lives over 60 miles from me, only had a first name and wanted to get his pictures back. I haven't gotten an HO lead for over a month now so sharing them even more will not make it any easier for anyone to grow a business.

 

[Jules711]

If they only get the leads if they have $1250 or more in 3 of 4 months, I think it's fair for them to get leads. After all, they ARE working there business. There are directors who don't even do that, yet THEY get leads. MAYBE they really do a lot with their downline, but MANY directors lack in that area as well.I am happy that they are rewarding those that aren't to the director stage. I'll wait to see specifics for director changes. After all, it TOs get some of the now director benefits, then maybe even if you go down a level, your benefits don't change as much as we think? Here's hoping!!!

 

[DeeDee616]

Any news on what SA prodcuts are coming out if any?
And yesterday someone only posted like 3 items that are gonna be discontinued? Is that really it only 3?

 

[BettieC]

Any news on what SA prodcuts are coming out if any?
And yesterday someone only posted like 3 items that are gonna be discontinued? Is that really it only 3?

It's 5 items.

 

[baychef]

Great point. I do agree that there must be some directors out there that are just hanging on all the time and can recruit but can not get their downline excited enough to recruit.

I really think with the incentive of earning more with just one recruit, that this will help some get over the fear of asking. Right now when a consultant has one recruit, they get no extra income so fear of losing that income may overcome the fear to invite more! So far I see this a helping even current directors retain their director level.

 

[Jayne]

My Director said for Team Leaders to get Home office leads you have to have 1250 in personal sales 3 of 4 months. Team Leaders also get 30% discount on personal orders vs 20%

Each new recruit you attain becomes a new line...she recruits 1 and becomes a Senior Consultant. To stay an active line they have to do 150 in sales together. So if SC does no sales and new recruit does 150 it is still an active line.

There are only direct and indirect lines now. My personal recruits are direct line and my recruits recruits are my indirect line.

Team leaders have to have $750 in personal sales and $2500 in team sales to receive over rides. Over rides are 2% on personl sales, 2% on direct line sales and 1% on indirect line. (Senior consultants get 1% over rides on personal and 1% on direct line)

You no longer loose your recruits when you go into delinquishment.

Oh yeah, I forgot...you don't loose your career sales unless you don't get sales for 2 months. And Directors have till July to get consultants to recruit.

 

[jwpamp]

If I go from Director Level to a Team Leader level (because only one of my 12 recruits has recruits), I will go from:-- 3% personal override on $4000 in personal sales(approx $120 a month) to 2% override (approx $80 a month)-- 3% on my first line (which includes 2 who were recruited by one of my recruits) which on a $4000 / month average will decrease my income from $120 per month @3% to $80 @ 2%-- then, because one of my recruit's recruits is now considered my "indirect recruit" I will go from 3% of her sales to 1%.....she usually sells $3000/month. That make my override from her go from $90 /month to $30 /month.In total, on an average month, I will lose approx. $140/month. To do the same job I am doing now.I really hope that this information we are getting from those at Leadership is incorrect.

 

[BethCooks4U]

If they only get the leads if they have $1250 or more in 3 of 4 months, I think it's fair for them to get leads. After all, they ARE working there business. There are directors who don't even do that, yet THEY get leads. MAYBE they really do a lot with their downline, but MANY directors lack in that area as well.

I am happy that they are rewarding those that aren't to the director stage. I'll wait to see specifics for director changes. After all, it TOs get some of the now director benefits, then maybe even if you go down a level, your benefits don't change as much as we think? Here's hoping!!!

Untrue. Directors have to have $1250 in sales in 3 of the last 4 months to get leads. If they aren't working their business they are not getting leads.

 

[Get_Pampered]

If I go from Director Level to a Team Leader level (because only one of my 12 recruits has recruits), I will go from:

-- 3% personal override on $4000 in personal sales(approx $120 a month) to 2% override (approx $80 a month)

-- 3% on my first line (which includes 2 who were recruited by one of my recruits) which on a $4000 / month average will decrease my income from $120 per month @3% to $80 @ 2%

-- then, because one of my recruit's recruits is now considered my "indirect recruit" I will go from 3% of her sales to 1%.....she usually sells $3000/month. That make my override from her go from $90 /month to $30 /month.

In total, on an average month, I will lose approx. $140/month. To do the same job I am doing now.

I really hope that this information we are getting from those at Leadership is incorrect.

It may not even come to that. Here's why, I'm positive that at least several of your 11 recruits that haven't recruited, will do so now. Several of them are bound to want the commission increase that is so close to their fingertips! And, we all have until April to get where we want to be so you might not even see a blurp on the radar come April (or you may see an INCREASE!). Hang in there

 

[janetupnorth]

I see your frustration Janice, but I see some great new points.This will do some of the following:1. Make Directors who push, push, push their recruits to make sales (to line their pocketbooks) to teach and encourage them to recruit to keep their directorship.2. Give some benefits to those who work really hard but can't get past the 1 recruit or the 4 recruit stage. It gives them a little encouragement/boost.3. Makes getting higher up more rewarding....there's more but I can't think clearly to type it up right now...Basically, if you are going to be a Director, it makes you be a director! Not just squeaking by anymore. I think it will do good in many areas.Just remember, we all will need to hear ALL the details in print before we judge.I know I'll be disappointed in the $150 each month vs. $200 every other month because I am so busy that sometimes I NEED to take a month off. After working hard to get my "raise" for career sales, I don't want to lose it...By the way, any changes in that?

 

[jwpamp]

I have been a Director. In every sense of the word. I work with my consultant's weekly. Do more than I probably need to for them. I am here at the drop of a hat to answer questions, provide support and more.I also consistantly have had $50,000+ in sales every year since I started 3 years ago. I have recruited 28 in my career and have earned every trip since my first year.I do work as a Director.I don't feel that every consultant starts with this company to recruit. I don't want to push someone to do something that they don't want to do.

 

[BethCooks4U]

I have SEVERAL on my team who tell me they want and are trying to recruit. We train, they seem to get it, but no recruits. Part of it is that they are having trouble filling their personal show calendar too. You can't squeeze blood out of turnups.

I work hard as a director - on my business, training and supporting my team, etc. I am insulted that I would be considered dead weight because currently I only have one with recruits. When I started my business (5 personal recruits) I started with 10 on my team because of downline recruits so it's not like I don't and haven't always promoted recruiting with my downline.


Here's the thing. The new system sounds great for those who are not now directors and for upper level directors. It's those of us who are just directors with no superstars on our teams that will be hurt. The good thing for us is that we don't lose EVERYTHING, the bad thing is some may lose it because of the changes. You can't force someone to recruit just like you can't force a host to have a show.

 

[baychef]

Janice, I agree with Get Pampered. I REALLY think that you will be able to get one or more ready to recruit. Especially if they are giving us until July. By pure coincidence, I am starting a step up program next week and I am hoping that this extra income that someone with just one recruit will get someone to come out of their shell.

If they are not into growing a big team but want to pay the bills, this will give them a "buddy" to pal up with. Maybe that is wishing too hard, but I really like giving someone that money incentive to get out there and recruit a little.

Being in PC for almost 9 years now, they usually give us good tools to help us get to a new achievement so I think we have more announcements to look forward to tomorrow to help us either retain our director level and for others to start looking at recruiting as less of a monster than it is.

 

[jmsabby]

Wow! Lots of info to get over text messages and quick phone calls. I am sure everything will be fine. As someone previously said, PC has always been good to it's consultants and I am sure that nothing will change. There is no way to make changes and please everyone. But I agree that for those of us who need our consultants to start recruiting, the earning money off of your first recruit will be a MAJOR motivator. Can't wait to get all of the details.