Holiday Plates/Platter Instead of Christmas!

[Christ Follower]

This has been one of the most interesting discussions I have ever read on CS. The lession in Judaism is so interesting. I am very thankful that we all can declare our faith and be friends still. Anyway, isn't that what Jesus taught? When I first started going to PC shows 15 years ago the Consultant expressed that it was a Christian company and that made a real impression on me and I have stuck with PC as my #1 home demo product show. It is sad that if that was so that they are bending to the pressure of the times to change Christmas to "holiday". Will they change Easter next? This has been a great discussion and I am so glad that someone had the courage and confidence to speak up. No one has offended anyone and it has been a real learning link. You are all great gals & guys. We are in this together! That is what makes this a great company.

Honestly I wouldn't mind if they changed the word for "Easter" since Easter was really Ishtar (sp?) and is basically a pagan holiday. The bunnies symbolize the Godess of fertility. In our home it has always been referred to as "Resurrection Sunday." We celebrate it for was it IS.

So if there are bunnies and eggs on it...let them call it Easter or whatever they want. LOL!

I agree, this has been a great thread. Most everyone on here has been very mature about it.

 

[MissChef]

Wow! I'm really impressed with how mature this thread is! I think it should be a whole new thread because it's not about holiday/christmas plate anymore!:angel:
I don't have the time to read it all right now. I've got a lot on my "to do" list today, but I will read this tonight and maybe then I'll comment. But I respect how you ladies are handling this and not attacking! Sometimes, this board freaks me out because it can get really intense and it looks like we've learned from past lessons and everyone is being respectful, while clearing standing up for what you believe in. Which is refreshing and I just wanted to point this out!:thumbup::angel:
Great job!

 

[lkprescott]

Honestly I wouldn't mind if they changed the word for "Easter" since Easter was really Ishtar (sp?) and is basically a pagan holiday. The bunnies symbolize the Godess of fertility. In our home it has always been referred to as "Resurrection Sunday." We celebrate it for was it IS.

So if there are bunnies and eggs on it...let them call it Easter or whatever they want. LOL!

I agree, this has been a great thread. Most everyone on here has been very mature about it.

Thank you and I agree to a point, most reference the goddess Eostre who's consort was a hare (which has grown to become the Easter Bunny of course) and was indeed a Germanic goddess of fertility, rebirth and Spring's renewal which is still celebrated by many though we tend to stick to the Vernal Equinox for its timing rather than messing with the full moon and Sundays...

The Pagan origins of Easter

My mom grew up in a Christian household that allowed NO pagan symbols including the "Christmas" tree, Santa, stockings, Easter Bunnies, dyed eggs and the like. I actually respect that level of commitment and her family's knowledge of where the symbols came from.

Actually, the history of many holidays (especially those practiced and celebrated for some time based on beliefs vs state holidays like Flag Day) is terribly fascinating to me. I personally like knowing why it is we do what we do, especially when the roots of such practices can be traced back through time.

 

[jrstephens]

This is the response I just got:


Dear Jennifer,

Thank you for contacting The Pampered Chef. I have forwarded your comments and
concerns to the appropriate area for attention.

Cheryl Wolf
Solution Center Representative
The Pampered Chef, Ltd.
The Pampered Chef, Ltd.

 

[chefmeg]

I wonder what the appropriate area is?????

 

[susanr613]

product development? marketing?

 

[janetupnorth]

As far as I know the product lines are broken down into groups and different groups are in charge of different product lines. Anyway, it would go to the group in charge of that product...Same thing happens with our complaints about quality with certain items if we have them.

 

[Kitchen Diva]

Thanks Kacey - I was trying to figure out how to respond.....you did it well for me!

You are very welcome- It took me seeing 2 more posts similar before I just decided that I should point out that we are not complaining- we are posting our views and learning so much more about one another and our religions, and spiritual relationships with God...

 

[Kitchen Diva]

LOL... I've used the X but never out of disrespect. I've known about the Greek symbolism/meaning and use it in that manner. Plus it's faster typing...

I respect Christians who walk their path in a Christ-like manner. It's those who wish to quarrel about being 'right' more so than others and closed off to any other possibilities that I find try my patience. I've met so many folks of a variety of faiths, over the years, and have felt the sting of prejudice to do my best to allow a person's actions to tell me more than any label. Personally, in an ideal world, it'd be less about labels (and the presumptions/stereotypes that they contain) and more about getting along with one another.

That was the last great one new commandment- That you love one another!

 

[Kitchen Diva]

Wow! I'm really impressed with how mature this thread is! I think it should be a whole new thread because it's not about holiday/christmas plate anymore!:angel:
I don't have the time to read it all right now. I've got a lot on my "to do" list today, but I will read this tonight and maybe then I'll comment. But I respect how you ladies are handling this and not attacking! Sometimes, this board freaks me out because it can get really intense and it looks like we've learned from past lessons and everyone is being respectful, while clearing standing up for what you believe in. Which is refreshing and I just wanted to point this out!:thumbup::angel:
Great job!

Wow, someone called me mature! LOL- it's like I said a few posts back- this thread is blessed! I don't believe God had in mind for there to be such an importance placed on what your denomination is vs. Do you LOVE people- really LOVE people with the agape love of the Lord and do you LOVE the Lord? Do you have a relationship with Him and do you grow in your relationship with him... too much importance is placed on "well you're Lutheran, or you're Evangelical, or you're Baptist, or you're Catholic... it's about LOVE and God- and for me, Jesus. However in learning about walking in love (and it is a hard subject to grow in, as there are many tests- wow!) it is good to be open to learn about other people and their views and beliefs... I am so facinated by what I have learned from Susan and LPrescott...

Susan, I showed one of the sales people that I assist what you said about me (He's orthidox Jewish, so he won't touch other women, even to shake a hand or high five) and he was impressed at Hamish and another one... he's like how do you know this stuff? I'm like I have a new BFF that's Jewish and she's my go-to gal for information so I don't look like an idiot around you guys! He thought that was great. He's from NY- and he's one of my favorite people on my sales team!!! And he agreed about the Chutzpah part!!

 

[Kitchen Diva]

I wonder what the appropriate area is?????

I hope it didn't go to the deleted items box?

 

[jrstephens]

Has anyone else gotten a response?

 

[susanr613]

nothing other than the automated one

 

[bonl48]

I see that PC is also calling Christmas items holiday items. I am not happy with this at all and I am going to email HO.

The plates/platters have Christmas trees on them, so, they are clearly for Christmas and if anyone is buying them they are getting them for that Holiday.

I do not know if the Holiday Desserts book contains recipes for other holidays since I have not seen it, so, I cannot comment on it until I know it's contents.

This is something that bothers me to the core that Christ is taken out of Christmas when without Christ there would be no Christmas. Other holidays do not get named something else to pacify all other religions, so, why should Christmas be discriminated against.

I am sure I will be opening up a can of worms, but if Christians do not stand up to keeping Christ in Christmas then who will?

I totally agree!! I also hate it when people write xmas!! That is taking Christ out of Christmas..Thank-you for saying it!

 

[ChefBeckyD]

I totally agree!! I also hate it when people write xmas!! That is taking Christ out of Christmas..Thank-you for saying it!

Maybe you should read the thread first.

 

[jrstephens]

Maybe you should read the thread first.

I've read the thread and still do not like or agree with doing it, ha! Since most people do not know that it isGreek for Christ. I do not think that is something commonly known everyday, just by some NERDS HAHA!

 

[susanr613]

OK, I did some research and I stand corrected - the Jewish position (taken by scholars) is that Jesus did exist and was a rabbi/teacher, but is not the Messiah. I'm sorry I stated differently.

I was not taught this in Hebrew school many years ago, which is why I stated it on this board. Fortunately, my own personal belief is that Jesus did exist as a human rabbi/teacher, so I guess I'm still Jewish LOL.

Thank you fellow Cheffers who raised the question and inspired me to look further than my own memories From now on, I'll check around before I answer any questions.

Also, thank you for posts on the origins of some of the Christmas and Easter symbols - very interesting!

Finally, a HUGE thank you to Jennifer for starting this topic - it really has brought out the best in us.

 

[ChefBeckyD]

OK, I did some research and I stand corrected - the Jewish position (taken by scholars) is that Jesus did exist and was a rabbi/teacher, but is not the Messiah. I'm sorry I stated differently.I was not taught this in Hebrew school many years ago, which is why I stated it on this board. Fortunately, my own personal belief is that Jesus did exist as a human rabbi/teacher, so I guess I'm still Jewish LOL.Thank you fellow Cheffers who raised the question and inspired me to look further than my own memories From now on, I'll check around before I answer any questions.Also, thank you for posts on the origins of some of the Christmas and Easter symbols - very interesting!Finally, a HUGE thank you to Jennifer for starting this topic - it really has brought out the best in us.

Whew! That was a close one!And I really appreciate you answering all of our questions. It breaks down barriers when we can ask the questions and get misconceptions cleared up!

 

[chefmeg]

total hijack....Becky, you are a rainbow now!! COOL!!!

hijack over!

 

[ChefBeckyD]

total hijack....Becky, you are a rainbow now!! COOL!!!

hijack over!

LOL - yep! Here is the official 10,000 post!

http://www.chefsuccess.com/f18/lovers-dreamers-me-41091/

 

[pcchefjane]

I thought the plates were cute, but I do agree that "Christmas" would have been the correct term. I guess HO just presumes since it is the Fall/Winter Catalog, they are being politically correct by calling them "Holiday". I too feel that Christ is taken out of Christmas way too much. Your attitude is great, Susan! I think too many people are all caught up in being "pc" so much that they forget that other people don't always object to things being called Christmas when they clearly are. I am not offended (of course) by someone saying "Merry Christmas" to me. I think that is a great analogy, Susan. By the same token, I would feel I was being offensive if I said, "Merry Christmas" to someone who is obviously another religion (as in someone wearing traditional clothes from another religion).

Those are my "Life Verses", Janet! I've held onto those for several years now and don't know how I would survive without them!

 

[Kitchen Diva]

OK, I did some research and I stand corrected - the Jewish position (taken by scholars) is that Jesus did exist and was a rabbi/teacher, but is not the Messiah. I'm sorry I stated differently.

I was not taught this in Hebrew school many years ago, which is why I stated it on this board. Fortunately, my own personal belief is that Jesus did exist as a human rabbi/teacher, so I guess I'm still Jewish LOL.

Thank you fellow Cheffers who raised the question and inspired me to look further than my own memories From now on, I'll check around before I answer any questions.

Also, thank you for posts on the origins of some of the Christmas and Easter symbols - very interesting!

Finally, a HUGE thank you to Jennifer for starting this topic - it really has brought out the best in us.

Your still my favorite Jewish Coach!

Have a good night, Susan!

And yes, this has been a great thread- one of my favorites and I didn't even start it! LOL Thanks for being willing to share so much about yourselves and your beliefs, everyone.- this has been wonderful!

 

[tabnat80]

Merry Christmas in July everyone!! I agree that they should be called Christmas plates since they've got Christmas trees on them. They are still really cute. I don't mind that they aren't functional for all winter. Heck, I usually get the Christmas decor out in mid November and keep it out until New Years day. That's about 2 months. After that, I'll be tired of looking at it anyways and box it up until next year.

 

[Intrepid_Chef]

There is a Menorah cake in the holiday deserts ... it's on the cover, I think.

(It's actually a layer cake, though it doesn't look like it. Harder than you'd think.)

I'm not a big fan of watering down Christmas either ... but I do wish the plates were WINTER plates. But that's just me ... I cannot see the point of buying a set of plates to use on just ONE DAY. If they were holiday plates, people could use them over the course of a couple of months, making them more VERSITILE.

 

[pampchefsarah]

Well, I'm like Tabnat - my Christmas season starts on Black Friday, and lasts through the 12 Days of Christmas (my husband is Catholic). The Christmas tree stays up, no matter how loudly I protest!, until it is completely dried out, because 'Christmas isn't over yet.' So, these plates will definitely be used more than one day a year.

Also, I know a few people who'll leave some vestige of Christmas hanging around all year. One friend has mistletoe that's been hanging over the doorway since the first Christmas she and her hubby celebrated as a married couple. Don't assume, just because you'll put it away as soon as Christmas is over, that your hosts and guests will do the same.

Sarah

 

[fikibiff]

While I agree that the "holiday" plates should be called "Christmas "plates, I don't have a problem with "Happy Holidays." And the funny thing is that it was this thread that changed my thinking.

Up until this thread I also felt that using "holidays" instead of "Christmas" was just dumb and people should just get over it and stop being so easily offended. But, after reading this entire thread, I realized that by only wishing people a merry Christmas I was being selfish and not taking into consideration the things that other people might be celebrating. Suddenly I realized that I am now the one being so easily offended by people not acknowledging my traditions.

Now, hear me out… By saying “Merry Christmas” we are only taking our personal feelings and/or faith into consideration. By saying “Happy Holidays” we are being so much more inclusive and saying that we understand that there points of view and faiths other than ours and we hope they have a pleasant celebration.

Using “Happy Holidays” in advertising doesn’t necessarily mean that Christ is being taken out of Christmas, it might just mean that in addition to Christmas, we wish to market to everyone celebrating any holiday around this time of year. I know I am going out on a limb here, but I’m just putting this up for discussion, but couldn’t it be seen as selfish that we only want everything labeled as “Christmas”?

I’m not saying that we shouldn’t label things appropriately to their particular holiday, although as it is already been pointed out that a Christmas tree is not a Christian symbol anyway. But all of the pagan symbols used to represent Christian holidays is a whole other topic. I think a Menorah should be called just that, and not a “holiday candle display”.

So, there’s my 2 cents, maybe 5 cents on the topic.

 

[lkprescott]

While I agree that the "holiday" plates should be called "Christmas "plates, I don't have a problem with "Happy Holidays." And the funny thing is that it was this thread that changed my thinking.

Up until this thread I also felt that using "holidays" instead of "Christmas" was just dumb and people should just get over it and stop being so easily offended. But, after reading this entire thread, I realized that by only wishing people a merry Christmas I was being selfish and not taking into consideration the things that other people might be celebrating. Suddenly I realized that I am now the one being so easily offended by people not acknowledging my traditions.

Now, hear me out… By saying “Merry Christmas” we are only taking our personal feelings and/or faith into consideration. By saying “Happy Holidays” we are being so much more inclusive and saying that we understand that there points of view and faiths other than ours and we hope they have a pleasant celebration.

Using “Happy Holidays” in advertising doesn’t necessarily mean that Christ is being taken out of Christmas, it might just mean that in addition to Christmas, we wish to market to everyone celebrating any holiday around this time of year. I know I am going out on a limb here, but I’m just putting this up for discussion, but couldn’t it be seen as selfish that we only want everything labeled as “Christmas”?

I’m not saying that we shouldn’t label things appropriately to their particular holiday, although as it is already been pointed out that a Christmas tree is not a Christian symbol anyway. But all of the pagan symbols used to represent Christian holidays is a whole other topic. I think a Menorah should be called just that, and not a “holiday candle display”.

So, there’s my 2 cents, maybe 5 cents on the topic.

Exactly...

Here's a story, or rather a way I came to understand and respect all the wintertide holidays. When I choose our Yuletide card to send out as a family, I do so with the intention of wishing peace, love and joys of the season and use either Yuletide Blessings or Season's Greetings as the salutation.

However, the real fun of the time of year is all the other cards we receive. For each was chosen just as carefully as our own, to reflect the feelings and often, the faith of each of the giver(s). This makes for an interesting and beautiful display in our archway of colors, thoughts, intentions and such all leading into greetings, the season and love, peace and joy... I appreciate and respect all the viewpoints that arrive in our mailbox and enjoy equally the religious and the silly ones that arrive, for it's really the only card(s) we receive that's a reflection of the giver, rather than the receiver and is pretty darned cool, if you ask me.

 

[BethCooks4U]

Exactly...

Here's a story, or rather a way I came to understand and respect all the wintertide holidays. When I choose our Yuletide card to send out as a family, I do so with the intention of wishing peace, love and joys of the season and use either Yuletide Blessings or Season's Greetings as the salutation.

However, the real fun of the time of year is all the other cards we receive. For each was chosen just as carefully as our own, to reflect the feelings and often, the faith of each of the giver(s). This makes for an interesting and beautiful display in our archway of colors, thoughts, intentions and such all leading into greetings, the season and love, peace and joy... I appreciate and respect all the viewpoints that arrive in our mailbox and enjoy equally the religious and the silly ones that arrive, for it's really the only card(s) we receive that's a reflection of the giver, rather than the receiver and is pretty darned cool, if you ask me.

I love this sentiment and actually have appreciated that as well for years! Thanks for stating it so well.

 

[ChefBeckyD]

Exactly...

Here's a story, or rather a way I came to understand and respect all the wintertide holidays. When I choose our Yuletide card to send out as a family, I do so with the intention of wishing peace, love and joys of the season and use either Yuletide Blessings or Season's Greetings as the salutation.

However, the real fun of the time of year is all the other cards we receive. For each was chosen just as carefully as our own, to reflect the feelings and often, the faith of each of the giver(s). This makes for an interesting and beautiful display in our archway of colors, thoughts, intentions and such all leading into greetings, the season and love, peace and joy... I appreciate and respect all the viewpoints that arrive in our mailbox and enjoy equally the religious and the silly ones that arrive, for it's really the only card(s) we receive that's a reflection of the giver, rather than the receiver and is pretty darned cool, if you ask me.

I'd never thought of it that way before. What a great perspective!

 

[jrstephens]

While I agree that the "holiday" plates should be called "Christmas "plates, I don't have a problem with "Happy Holidays." And the funny thing is that it was this thread that changed my thinking.

Up until this thread I also felt that using "holidays" instead of "Christmas" was just dumb and people should just get over it and stop being so easily offended. But, after reading this entire thread, I realized that by only wishing people a merry Christmas I was being selfish and not taking into consideration the things that other people might be celebrating. Suddenly I realized that I am now the one being so easily offended by people not acknowledging my traditions.

Now, hear me out… By saying “Merry Christmas” we are only taking our personal feelings and/or faith into consideration. By saying “Happy Holidays” we are being so much more inclusive and saying that we understand that there points of view and faiths other than ours and we hope they have a pleasant celebration.

Using “Happy Holidays” in advertising doesn’t necessarily mean that Christ is being taken out of Christmas, it might just mean that in addition to Christmas, we wish to market to everyone celebrating any holiday around this time of year. I know I am going out on a limb here, but I’m just putting this up for discussion, but couldn’t it be seen as selfish that we only want everything labeled as “Christmas”?

I’m not saying that we shouldn’t label things appropriately to their particular holiday, although as it is already been pointed out that a Christmas tree is not a Christian symbol anyway. But all of the pagan symbols used to represent Christian holidays is a whole other topic. I think a Menorah should be called just that, and not a “holiday candle display”.

So, there’s my 2 cents, maybe 5 cents on the topic.

No being rude to you personally, but I think this thinking is the logic that advertisers and companies try to use to make people "think" they are really not trying to take Christ out of Christmas when they really are and they are coming up with excuses as to why it is ok to do so.