Holiday Plates/Platter Instead of Christmas!

[janetupnorth]

I have to admit that I was well in my twenties before I learned that people define Christian and born-again Christian differently.That Philosophy of Religion class in college was interesting...taught by a self-proclaimed agnostic and full of engineering students...talk about some interesting discussions!

 

[susanr613]

oh yes...forgot about that story (deli) that was priceless!

ask away....the invite is extended to anyone else too if you want to learn more. if i don't know the answer off the top of my head, i will look it up for you.

 

[Kitchen Diva]

I am Christian and hate the use of "holiday" when Christmas is really what is meant. I too am tired of Christians having to be sensitive to all other religions but being raked over the coals if we try to talk about our own faith. I am Catholic and there are lots of other Christian groups that put us down too. (My son had a new friend in 4th grade who saw the fish symbol on my car and said "I didn't know you were Christian, I thought you were Catholic").

On the other side of it though, I do feel that a lot of Christians throw Christianity in others' faces. So often I hear about people acting Christian and other such comments. We are people of faith. I know many people of other faiths that are as good or better than me - more faith-filled. It is arrogant of us to think that being Christian is better than other faiths and even though many are humble in their faith they come across as arrogant to those of other faiths by their words. There are times when "happy holidays" or seasons greatings" is appropriate.

That being said, Christmas is the celebration of Jesus Christ's birth and should not be watered down by changing it to a generic term. We don't ask our Jewish friends to call Hanukkah "holiday" for instance. I do look for Christmas Cards that say Christmas. And I send Hanukkah to friends I know are Jewish. They have all told me that Christmas cards would have been fine with them - it's the thought that counts.

I do agree that those plates should be called Christmas plates and that it would have been better if they had been winter scenes so that no one would be left out in the holiday joy. This is why it has taken so long for PC to even come out with such items. IMHO

God is no respector of persons, so we should not think too highly of ourselves...just like you said above in your post...that some christians feel that their denomination is better than other's...that's NOT what it's about! Good post, Beth!

 

[janetupnorth]

OK, now Susan is talking a foreign language to me! I'm glad you translated though Susan! I love to learn too.About a year ago I asked someone about the underclothes (I forget what they call them - SORRY!) in the Mormon religion. It's not something people talk about so I was glad she was open to explain!

 

[Kitchen Diva]

well said, janet!

i'm just happy i won't insult you and my other christian friends when i wish you a merry christmas in a few months

Why would that insult me? Silly rabbit... now if you forget to wish me Happy B-day, well then we've got issues woman!

You can wish me Merry Christmas and I'll wish you Happy Hannuhka!~

Okay, here is a question... what is the difference between Hannuhka and Christmas according to the Jewish religion? (I hope I asked that in a way that didn't seem snooty- this is just one of the questions I have always wondered, and based on the is it called:type/denomination of Jewish religion that you follow it might be different, so hence my question) Just know that I'm asking out of simple, childlike curiosity and respect.

 

[Kitchen Diva]

I too get tired of "complaining" that goes on and there are people that do "complain" and are always negative. However, on this thread, I see a whole group of people who normally don't complain, and they are bringing up valid points and expressing logic to go with them.

These are the same people who wholeheartedly love the company and defend almost all decisions.

AND, they are expressing their complaints intelligently and taking it to HO where appropriate. They are not on here bashing PC.

I didn't see anyone who disagreed with the name saying that they weren't going to sell them. They just disagreed over the choice of terms on them.

I say let the discussion continue. It was quite intellectual compared to many in the past.

Well said, Janet. I agree- very intellectual indeed and you answered her post very lovingly.

 

[janetupnorth]

Ok, I have to go to bed (you too Kacey!!!!)...but I will have to catch up tomorrow as Susan educates us further. Between Becky and Susan today I filled a few more brain cells up. (Wonder what information I pushed aside for that?)

 

[susanr613]

"On the other side of it though, I do feel that a lot of Christians throw Christianity in others' faces. So often I hear about people acting Christian and other such comments. We are people of faith. I know many people of other faiths that are as good or better than me - more faith-filled. It is arrogant of us to think that being Christian is better than other faiths and even though many are humble in their faith they come across as arrogant to those of other faiths by their words."

Unfortunately, you can plug in almost any other religion's name in place of Christian.

 

[Kitchen Diva]

"On the other side of it though, I do feel that a lot of Christians throw Christianity in others' faces. So often I hear about people acting Christian and other such comments. We are people of faith. I know many people of other faiths that are as good or better than me - more faith-filled. It is arrogant of us to think that being Christian is better than other faiths and even though many are humble in their faith they come across as arrogant to those of other faiths by their words."

Unfortunately, you can plug in almost any other religion's name in place of Christian.

Sadly sometimes Christians make the worst Christians.

I'm working on that however...

 

[susanr613]

Why would that insult me? Silly rabbit... now if you forget to wish me Happy B-day, well then we've got issues woman!

You can wish me Merry Christmas and I'll wish you Happy Hannuhka!~

Okay, here is a question... what is the difference between Hannuhka and Christmas according to the Jewish religion? (I hope I asked that in a way that didn't seem snooty- this is just one of the questions I have always wondered, and based on the is it called:type/denomination of Jewish religion that you follow it might be different, so hence my question) Just know that I'm asking out of simple, childlike curiosity and respect.

Christmas celebrates the birth of Jesus. Jewish belief denies that Jesus even existed, let alone was the son of God and Messiah etc. We are still waiting for the first go-round, while Christians are waiting for the sequel. Therefore, Jews do not observe Christmas. This is true across all denominations.

Hanukah commemorates a successful uprising by the Jews against a foreign occupyng ruler, who had forbade Jews from observing their faith and desecrated the Temple in Jerusalem.

Hanukah is a relatively minor holiday, but has been blown way out of proportion because it occurs near Christmas. This is a shame and diminishes both holidays IMHO.

Passover, which is near Easter, commemorates God liberating the Hebrews from slavery in Egypt (aka The Ten Commandments). It is a major holiday, with special meals and such. I am pretty sure that Jesus' last supper was a Passover seder (dinner).

And so endeth the lesson for tonight...time for bed!

 

[ChefBeckyD]

Christmas celebrates the birth of Jesus. Jewish belief denies that Jesus even existed, let alone was the son of God and Messiah etc. We are still waiting for the first go-round, while Christians are waiting for the sequel. Therefore, Jews do not observe Christmas. This is true across all denominations.

Hanukah commemorates a successful uprising by the Jews against a foreign occupyng ruler, who had forbade Jews from observing their faith and desecrated the Temple in Jerusalem.

Hanukah is a relatively minor holiday, but has been blown way out of proportion because it occurs near Christmas. This is a shame and diminishes both holidays IMHO.

Passover, which is near Easter, commemorates God liberating the Hebrews from slavery in Egypt (aka The Ten Commandments). It is a major holiday, with special meals and such. I am pretty sure that Jesus' last supper was a Passover seder (dinner).

And so endeth the lesson for tonight...time for bed!

Yes, it was!

This has been a fun dialog....I love this kind of discussion. I love learning, and hearing others viewpoints and being able to discuss - without arguing -our differences....doing that just brings us closer together, and for me, makes me realize that we aren't so different after all! (nerd!)

Sorry that some didn't see it for what it was.

 

[kitchenfun2day]

I get tired of everyone costantly complaining about something from the home office. They try very hard to make the right choices for the company and for the consultants. Why does everyone always have to find something to complain about. If you are not interested in selling the "holiday plates" then don't, don't talk about them either at your shows. But let everyone make up their own minds as to whether this is an item that they would like to puchase. You are never going to make everyone happy.

 

[kitchenfun2day]

I think these are tacky to be honest and would not buy them if they were on sell at the dollar store.

:balloon:

 

[pjpamchef]

It's not disrespectful in the least. And - knowing you are Jewish, I wouldn't wish you a Merry Christmas, but I would wish you a Happy Hannukah (or is it Chanukah? That does always confuse me!?)

And - the term "Holiday" doesn't really bother me. It's a marketing thing for sales. They want to include all of the celebrations around that time....so use a generic term....but incidentally, "holiday" is derived from "Holy Day"....so it can apply to Christmas. And, in the Christian faith - the highest holy day is not Christmas, but Easter...

You are totally correct! I am sitting here with a Marketing Degree (I know, easiest program in the business college) and almost 30 years sales experience, and all the marketing team was thinking about when naming the product, is how can we make this stay relevant in the market place the longest?? If we call it a Christmas Platter, then they will only buy it for Christmas. But if we call it a Holiday Platter, then maybe it will stay out there thru end of Jan or even longer!!

 

[kitchenfun2day]

Then I would not say anything at all. I am not "politically correct" when it comes to Christ's birth.

:angel:

 

[CookingwithMary]

Holiday plates :yuck:..plain would have worked for me though.

Now if they were bamboo, I have customers who would go nuts for little appetizer/sushi plates, and other sizes of bamboo. Although similar bamboo items are available less expensively elsewhere.

 

[DebbieJ]

I get tired of everyone costantly complaining about something from the home office. They try very hard to make the right choices for the company and for the consultants. Why does everyone always have to find something to complain about. If you are not interested in selling the "holiday plates" then don't, don't talk about them either at your shows. But let everyone make up their own minds as to whether this is an item that they would like to puchase. You are never going to make everyone happy.

what she said. The plates are in the catalog--you can't change that. Either sell them or don't.

 

[BethCooks4U]

Susan! Thank you so much for all the information you are sharing! Many of us have had little exposure to your faith and are grateful (I had no clue that Hanukkah was not as major as we thought). The more we know about each other the better our world becomes.

Now how about some of the other faiths? I would love to learn more about the other major religions of the world.

 

[Kitchen Diva]

what she said. The plates are in the catalog--you can't change that. Either sell them or don't.

Please read Janet's post (#43) on page 3 of this thread- no one is complaining, and if you read this entire thread you will see that it is so much more than this...

This is one of those threads that it's better to read the whole book before you judge it by it's cover (thread title and 1st post)

 

[ChefBeckyD]

Please read Janet's post (#43) on page 3 of this thread- no one is complaining, and if you read this entire thread you will see that it is so much more than this...

This is one of those threads that it's better to read the whole book before you judge it by it's cover (thread title and 1st post)

Thanks Kacey - I was trying to figure out how to respond.....you did it well for me!

 

[MissChef]

And, even though they may try...even by saying Xmas they are not taking Christ out of Christmas.

X (although I can't draw it correctly on this keyboard) is the Greek symbol for Christ. In Theology and Bible classes during college, I often used an X in my notes to signify Christ.

Thanks Becky! I did not know this and it makes me soooo less offended of that! I hope I remember it this coming Christmas Holiday!

 

[ChefBeckyD]

Thanks Becky! I did not know this and it makes me soooo less offended of that! I hope I remember it this coming Christmas Holiday!

See Janet's post where she has a link to a great article regarding this!

 

[vwpamperedchef]

Wow this thread has developed since yesterday! I love this discussion! Most everyone has valid points and it is great to hear the views of non-Christians as well! Thanks for sharing!

 

[jrstephens]

I am pretty sure that Jesus' last supper was a Passover seder (dinner).

And so endeth the lesson for tonight...time for bed!

Questions? Since you say the above does this mean in your Jewish faith you believe Jesus has been born on Earth already?

Maybe I should've just pm'd you this? I do not want to sound.....well I can't think of the right word I am looking for...maybe controversal. I am just curious.

 

[ChefBeckyD]

Questions? Since you say the above does this mean in your Jewish faith you believe Jesus has been born on Earth already?Maybe I should've just pm'd you this? I do not want to sound.....well I can't think of the right word I am looking for...maybe controversal. I am just curious.

Interesting question, because what I thought was that Jewish people didn't deny that Jesus existed.....they just do not believe the He is the Immanuel/Savior. What I have been taught is that the Christian faith teaches that Jesus Christ is the prophesied Savior, come to save His people - In the Jewish faith, they are still waiting for the coming of the Savior.Maybe I don't have it right - or maybe I just have half of the facts?

 

[susanr613]

Questions? Since you say the above does this mean in your Jewish faith you believe Jesus has been born on Earth already?

Maybe I should've just pm'd you this? I do not want to sound.....well I can't think of the right word I am looking for...maybe controversal. I am just curious.

Good question - what I meant was that if you believe in Jesus and the Gospels, the last supper was probably a seder.

According to Judaism, Jesus did not exist, as a human or otherwise.

Hope that clears up any confusion

 

[jrstephens]

Interesting question, because what I thought was that Jewish people didn't deny that Jesus existed.....they just do not believe the He is the Immanuel/Savior. What I have been taught is that the Christian faith teaches that Jesus Christ is the prophesied Savior, come to save His people - In the Jewish faith, they are still waiting for the coming of the Savior.

Maybe I don't have it right - or maybe I just have half of the facts?

That is what I have always been taught too. I have a friend whose daughter's husband is Jewish and that is what he believes as well.

 

[janetupnorth]

Good question - what I meant was that if you believe in Jesus and the Gospels, the last supper was probably a seder.

According to Judaism, Jesus did not exist, as a human or otherwise.

Hope that clears up any confusion

Nope, you just got me!

So do you believe that there is a coming Messiah and if so, does he have a name or just Messiah?

So, Jesus in your faith didn't exist as even an everyday person that lived and you don't believe that He exists in heaven waiting to come?

???

 

[jrstephens]

Good question - what I meant was that if you believe in Jesus and the Gospels, the last supper was probably a seder.

According to Judaism, Jesus did not exist, as a human or otherwise.

Hope that clears up any confusion

Thanks!! I "heard" it to mean you believed Jesus had His last supper already. But we all know we "hear" things different on here!

 

[jrstephens]

Nope, you just got me!

So do you believe that there is a coming Messiah and if so, does he have a name or just Messiah?

So, Jesus in your faith didn't exist as even an everyday person that lived and you don't believe that He exists in heaven waiting to come?

???

Great additional questions!