April Commission???? Any One Else Not Understand??

[Drew]

I have a Team Leader in my downline that I personally recruited and I did not receive one cent of commission on her sales or on her downline sales. How is that right?

 

[chefann]

I just checked the new plan cards and the FAQ that was posted later, and while both mention the pay transition with a requirement that Directors submit $750 in personal sales, neither specifically mention that Directors must meet the current (new) Director requirements to be paid as a Director. In my opinion, since the new plan has the pay for performance clause, HO may have thought that would be understood and didn't need to specify that all the requirements would have to be met in order to get the pay.

 

[crissy11]

My director did not make one cent commission on my sales either.. She lost $180 on overrides just on me.. and no production bonus..

 

[pamperedlinda]

What timing is it that our first new plan pay day was on a Friday and statements posted so late in the day? I'd sure hate to work at HO on Monday morning - what a mess they are starting their day with! LOL

 

[pamperedlinda]

My director did not make one cent commission on my sales either.. She lost $180 on overrides just on me.. and no production bonus..

something is really wrong...

 

[jwpamp]

This may answer some questions, but may make this thread worse, so don't shoot the messenger!

On CC, under the "New Career Plan", there is a FAQ section regarding the Transition of Title:

* Example 1: If you qualify for Director by the end of March –under the current rules of 5 personally recruited, active, qualified recruits – we’ll recognize your April 1 promotion and you'll start the new plan as a Director.

* Example 2: If you’re a Senior Director today, but would fall to Advanced Director on April 1 under the current plan, you will start the new career plan as an Advanced Director.

* Example 3: If you’re a Director for whom March is relinquishment month 1 or 2, you will start the new career plan as a Director. You will retain your direct and indirect Consultants and Future Directors (as they are called under the current plan), and any Directors in your 1st line will be in your 1st Generation, assuming they are still Directors as of April 1. (The same is true for 2nd and 3rd line Directors, who will be 2nd and 3rd Generation Directors, assuming they are Directors as of April 1.)

* Example 4: If you’re a Director for whom March is relinquishment month 3, and you do not meet the Director requirements under the current career plan in March, you will begin the new career plan as a Team Leader or Consultant, depending upon whether you would have fallen to Future Director or to Consultant. You will keep your direct and indirect Consultants and Future Directors (as they are called in the current plan). In addition, the current plan rule applies that Directors or above in the first line will pass by and be permanently assigned to the upline roll-up eligible Director.

* Example 5: If March is your first or second month of the re-promotion period, that means you are now a Future Director or Consultant. If you meet the current Future Director requirements in March, you will be a Team Leader on April 1. If not, you will be a Consultant on April 1. You will keep your direct and indirect Consultants and Future Directors (as they are called in the current plan).

* Example 6: If March is your third month of the re-promotion period, that means you are now a Future Director or Consultant. In order to start the new career plan as a Director on April 1, you must meet the re-promotion requirements by the end of March. If you don’t, members of your original Cluster will be assigned to your upline Director (following the current career plan rules). New Consultants who were signed during the three-month repromotion period will remain assigned to you. If you met current Future Director requirements in March, you will begin the new career plan as a Team Leader. Otherwise, you will start as a Consultant.


Title Transition

* April is the first month of the new career plan. If your April performance qualifies you for a higher title, you'll promote to that title on May 1. Plus, you'll be paid for your April performance at that higher level.
* If you don't qualify for a higher title in April, you'll keep your April 1 title going into May.
* Beginning in May, you'll have your title for at least three more months.
o Team Leaders through Senior Directors will have their title through July. (This means any title demotions will not occur until August 1.)
o Executive Directors will have their title through October.
o Senior Executive Directors will have their title through January 2010.
o National Executive Directors will have their title through April 2010.
* If you meet the qualifications for a higher title at any time, you'll promote to that level and start earning even more.

 

[Drew]

I am not concerned about a title. I am concerned about my check. I understood that we would be PAID as directors through July. I will continue to support my downline and do my shows. I would like to be paid the way the company said they would pay us. The title doesn't matter.

 

[jwpamp]

Like Linda said earlier, if you are a Director, not in relinquishment month 3 at the end of March, you are paid as a Director in April.That is what the "Transition Plan Adjustment" at the bottom of your commission statement is for. If the "Transition Plan Adjustment" line is not there (it is the second from the bottom line at the very bottom of the commission statement), then call HO on Monday.I am sure there will be more than one person calling!All I know is that this is the beginning of an up and down title and commission structure for everyone....it will take some getting used to....for HO as well as us!

 

[Drew]

I am not and have never been in relinquishment. I see the line you are talking about but it isn't enough. I did not receive commission on over $16000 in my downline sales. I was not paid on a Team Leader or her downline. And I received no bonuses. I can compute the commission that I should have gotten. The adjustment doesn't cover it.

 

[jwpamp]

I think that there were a lot of issues with the payment of the transition amounts. I would just call HO and have them investigate. I am sure that alot of us would like to hear the results as well -- let us know what's up.

 

[Drew]

My Senior Director is on top of it already. She is speaking directly with Jan Capinegro to work on the problems. There are several in our line who didn't get the commission they deserved, including the senior director. I can deal with what I lost but had I been bumped down to consultant pay, I'm afraid I would have had a "come apart!" She handled it very well and continues to work for her downline as well.

 

[chezshelly]

We got an e-mail from Home Office at the end of April explaining how it was going to work. We are still getting paid as Directors, it just says TL, I guess for their records or something. I don't know either. I was pretty freaked out when I saw the commission statement until I went back and read the e-mail again.

 

[crissy11]

I did not get paid as a director that would have been 3% override plus production bonus.. I got 2% override on my first line and 1% on my second line. no production bonus at all. They are now saying we keep the title of director till July but we get paid as team leaders if we do not have the two senior consultants..
NOW our personal recruits have to be active every month and someone in their downline has to turn in $150 for that line to be active... Even though I have two senior consultants with their own recruits I don't get to be a director again till my personal recruit is active every month and their recruit is active... Now if they had 2-3 people in their downline than only one of those would have to turn in $150 to keep the line active but my personal recruit has to be active every month for the line to be active..SENIOR CONSULTANTPromotion and Maintenance RequirementsEach month:• Be active yourself• Have one active Consultant (direct or indirect)

 

[jwpamp]

Crissy11, did you get that info when you called HO? That is not what the FAQ section for the new career plan said (see the earlier post)...just wondering if you spoke to Consultant Career Solutions or just a Solution Center rep when you called them?

 

[crissy11]

It is on page 16 of the revised as of April 1st Consultant Policy Guide on Consultant's Corner
I copied and pasted what I read there in their guidelines.

 

[Drew]

Looks like there is always a rule to over rule a rule doesn't it?

 

[smspamperedchef]

Everyone SHOULD still be paid at the level they held on April 1st all the way through the end of July. Whatever pay level is higher calculated from the old and new plan. Then if their title changes you will be paid at that new level beginning in August under the new plan.
In my situation I am still a Director through July even though I do not have the Sr. Cons. requirements yet. It calculates my earnings as a TL on the first part of my check but because of the transition period they recalculate my pay as a Director which is the "Transition Plan Adjustment Payment" On that adjustment is the extra $10 per team member and the extra 1% that I wouldn't have originally got as a TL but do as a Director. Here's how my check looks below w/o any of the $ figures for privacy. Hope this helps! Let us know what HO said to you!

April 2009 Month-End Earnings Statement
Consultant: 143030, Sharon Stringfellow Title: Director
Upline Director: *******Paid as Level: Team Leader
Executive Director: ********Qualified as Elite Seller: No

Sales Commission
Base Commission 20%*
Sales Level Commission Bonus 4%
Elite Seller Bonus 0%
Career Sales Bonus 2%
Total 26%


Overrides and Bonuses
Overrides Sales Amount % Override Amount
Personal Sales ****** 2.00% **.**
Direct Recruits ****** 2.00% **.**
Indirect Recruits 0.00 1.00% 0.00
Total Override: ********

Bonuses
Total Bonus: 0.00

Total Earnings
Sales Commission: ******
Overrides: *****
Bonuses: 0.00
Total Earnings: ********

Adjustments
Adjustment # Description Adjustment Amount

ID0409 INSURANCE DEDUCTION -2.00

Summary
April 2009 Earnings ******
*****
Total April 2009 Payment ********

 

[jwpamp]

crissy11, PLEASE call HO.

I looked at what you are referring to, but the Consultant Policy Guide on CC doesn't include the temporary 3 month adjustment period for the new program.

Call HO. That is the ONLY way you are going to get a correct answer. Talk to Consultant Career Solutions.

 

[stacywhitlow]

I didn't even get my April commissions yet. I have had direct deposit for over 5 years. I did switch banks about 4 months ago...sent info to HO...but for some reason they decided to mail me a check this month. Now I have to wait a few more days while I have now bounced 3 items that I thought would clear with Friday being payday. I called HO & was also informed that it could take 48 hours from the 8th to even receive a direct deposit. I have never had that happen before.

Sorry...just wanted to vent...back to the question at hand.

I should have been a FD on March 31st (but it never showed up). So I was expecting to be Team Leader on April 1st (but it never showed up). Then only 1 consultant submitted for April plus me so I got paid as a Senior Consultant. This new program is more confusing than I expected. I am like everyone else...thought that what status you held on April 1st is what would hold until July 1st & that is what you would be paid for.

 

[pamperedlinda]

Stacy - I think the only statuses that were guaranteed were Director and above.

 

[Drew]

This is the response from Jan Capinegro. Helpful don't you think?

I am going to have Cora follow up with you so she can go over each scenario in detail and show you where to find the answers in the Career Plan spiral notebook, the Career Plan on-line FAQ and the Consultant Policy Guide. Really, all the answers are in there - it also might be helpful to review the career plan training available the Career Plan page on Consultants Corner as well.



Jan

 

[legacypc46]

I think the term for that is 'cop-out.' I would expect better from HO.

That was my knee-jerk response....but honestly, if the transition was easily understandable, there wouldn't be such confusion in the field. The truth is that the writing isn't clear (except maybe to the ones who wrote it).

 

[jwpamp]

Drew, at least you got the ball rolling by contacting someone in HO. If anyone can get to the bottom of it, Cora can.

 

[crissy11]

Cora is soo confused about the whole thing she is going to Doreen Glass.

 

[Drew]

The bottom line is we have what we will get for the month of April. Now we just need to get busy and try to get back where we were before the dreaded "New Plan" struck us all down!

 

[DebbieJ]

I did not get paid as a director that would have been 3% override plus production bonus.. I got 2% override on my first line and 1% on my second line. no production bonus at all. They are now saying we keep the title of director till July but we get paid as team leaders if we do not have the two senior consultants..
NOW our personal recruits have to be active every month and someone in their downline has to turn in $150 for that line to be active... Even though I have two senior consultants with their own recruits I don't get to be a director again till my personal recruit is active every month and their recruit is active... Now if they had 2-3 people in their downline than only one of those would have to turn in $150 to keep the line active but my personal recruit has to be active every month for the line to be active..

SENIOR CONSULTANT

Promotion and Maintenance Requirements

Each month:

• Be active yourself

• Have one active Consultant (direct or indirect)

You will get paid as a director if you meet the requirements for it, not just because your title is still in effect.

So you needed to have one of the following:
5 active, first line consultants
OR
4 active, personally recruited consultants, two of which are senior consultants

 

[crissy11]

had that.. been a director for 10 years.. know how to maintain directorship.... add up your check yourself with both programs with production bonus and see what you got paid for... it isn't just me and Drew there are others out there making phone calls to PC.
HO is aware but don't know what to do about the new plan verbage.... Did you know that you cannot submit a show at MIDNIGHT!!! It has to be 11:59.. Once their computer clicks 12:00 they count it as the next day... I thought that mid night was a minute long...

 

[Jolie_Paradoxe]

I thought that mid night was a minute long...

LOL....

that extra 60 seconds is crucial, so thanks for letting us know that it isn't available

 

[ChefBeckyD]

It's all interesting...because my Director was just telling me that April's check was her 2nd highest check ever, but not her 2nd highest sales month ever....and I know that as a TL, my check was $100 more than a similar month as an FD...strange how it's so all over the board for people.

 

[amyscookinggear]

I did not get paid as a director that would have been 3% override plus production bonus.. I got 2% override on my first line and 1% on my second line. no production bonus at all. They are now saying we keep the title of director till July but we get paid as team leaders if we do not have the two senior consultants..
NOW our personal recruits have to be active every month and someone in their downline has to turn in $150 for that line to be active... Even though I have two senior consultants with their own recruits I don't get to be a director again till my personal recruit is active every month and their recruit is active... Now if they had 2-3 people in their downline than only one of those would have to turn in $150 to keep the line active but my personal recruit has to be active every month for the line to be active..

SENIOR CONSULTANT

Promotion and Maintenance Requirements

Each month:

• Be active yourself

• Have one active Consultant (direct or indirect)

Right according to what you copied then either your direct recruit has to be active or that recruits recruit has to be active not both of them (though it would be nice)