Is a Service That Sends Real Cards Worth It?

[Veevahchef]

Ok.... I say we all just sing until it goes away.....:sing: :sing: :sing: :sing: :sing: :sing: :sing: :sing: :sing: :sing:

 

[BethCooks4U]

Again - nope. Tom resigned his directorship in May. Before National conference. He was terminated on the same day I was - after my upline threw a fit.
According to Marla (the CEO of PC) we were terminated because they were "executing the right to terminate a consultant's agreement for any reason. They executed that right."

Tom has been blamed for doing a lot of things, none of which are true.
Some from this board say he was terminated because his sister was caught selling on Ebay. Tom doesn't even have a sister.

Some say that Tom was standing on a bus at conference giving some sort of "I have a dream" speech about why to leave PC for this other company. LOL. It's upsurd how stories get twisted.

Remember when you were a kid, and you'd play the "tell a secret" game? One person starts by whispering something to the person next in line. Then that person tries to whisper it to the next, and then the next person whispers to the next, and so on. By the time the "whispered secret" gets around the circle, it's so twisted and elaborated that there is no resemblance of the original.

Many times at National conference he was asked to give more information and he flat out said "NO THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THAT". Were you there at Conference watching him "recruit" people, Beth? I was there when an executive director asked him what was up, and to tell her where he went, and he told her no...

If you weren't there, and don't know first hand, then you have NO right to slander other people's name.

My story may not be 100% but he WAS terminated from being a consultant after National Conference and that is not done for minor infractions.

My point in posting here is to warn everyone to beware. This is a forum for Pampered Chef consultants and when someone is bashing PC, however subtly, or encouraging you to check out another opportunity we need to think long and hard about motives. You even tried to recruit me when you first started telling us about the business.

We do not know each other as well as we think we do. I am nice. I'm sure a lot of people agree that Laura is nice.

Please let this thread die. It is doing no one any good.

 

[chefbritt]

Ok.... I say we all just sing until it goes away.....:sing: :sing: :sing: :sing: :sing: :sing: :sing: :sing: :sing: :sing:

Don't worry, it won't be long before Greg comes in and shuts it down. It seems like a weekly occurance around here lately... sad really...

 

[Pampered Laura]

see Laura, this is the thing I wonder...as a Director myself, I know that I can resign my Directorship at anytime, for whatever reasons. However, my understanding was that after you resigned your Directorship, you were terminated as a consultant. That is where I have problems with you acting blameless....PC does not just willy-nilly terminate people..as a matter of fdact, I have only heard of it twice in my almost 8 years...you & Tom.

Actually you're misinformed. You can resign your directorship by submitting a letter to the home office, yes. However, if you'd like to remain an active consultant, you need to include in the letter to KEEP your active status as such. (which I did). It's in the Director handbook I believe.

I am glad you don't know many that were terminated. I personally know 3 in my upline's team specifically that were terminated, and Tom. I am sure there are more. I was told that I was terminated because "they could" and after digging, found out that my upline threw a fit and the home office had already gotten wind of other upper level directors leaving PC - or signing their husbands up for another business, too. I'm talking folks who are in catalogs, and names well known. No, it was not "willy nilly". The corporation saw a need to terminate us because apparently it was a threat and I (along with Tom and the others) was made to be a statement to other directors. On my phone call with Marla and Jean, they informed me that I did nothing wrong - it was just a business decision on their part.

However, one of my friends resigned her directorship with PC, but wanted to remain an active consultant. She resigned her team to let go of the responsibility so that she could get a full time job with her old company, but she was still terminated.

 

[pclinskie]

I thought this was done with! Please stop.

 

[Pampered Laura]

My story may not be 100% but he WAS terminated from being a consultant after National Conference and that is not done for minor infractions.

My point in posting here is to warn everyone to beware. This is a forum for Pampered Chef consultants and when someone is bashing PC, however subtly, or encouraging you to check out another opportunity we need to think long and hard about motives. You even tried to recruit me when you first started telling us about the business.

We do not know each other as well as we think we do. I am nice. I'm sure a lot of people agree that Laura is nice.

Please let this thread die. It is doing no one any good.

You're right. Your story is NOT 100%. You weren't there. Some folks hear something and go "omg, seriously?? WOW thats so wrong and I'm going to tell everyone about it before I ask the person who is being blamed for that!".
Those are sad folks.

And about trying to recruit YOU, Beth? I have never given any info to anyone that did not ASK for it. If I gave you info, it was AFTER you asked me to share.

 

[Pampered Laura]

I thought this was done with! Please stop.

I'd love to. But, when my integrity is in question, I want to defend myself. Sorry! :cry:

 

[chefruthie]

You're right. Your story is NOT 100%. You weren't there. Some folks hear something and go "omg, seriously?? WOW thats so wrong and I'm going to tell everyone about it before I ask the person who is being blamed for that!".
Those are sad folks.

And about trying to recruit YOU, Beth? I have never given any info to anyone that did not ASK for it. If I gave you info, it was AFTER you asked me to share.

PROSPECTING!!!!!! This is what we're saying Laura. You throw out the bait and wait to be asked. You are VERY good at what you do.

 

[Pampered Laura]

PROSPECTING!!!!!! This is what we're saying Laura. You throw out the bait and wait to be asked. You are VERY good at what you do.

NOt sure how long you have been around, but I posted a message on here 7 months ago, saying that I had resigned my directorship to do something else. I wasnt "PROSPECTING!!!!!" lol.
Ooh - I also called my mom and told her what I was doing... she's a PC consultant. Should I not have told her either because *gasp* she might ask where I was going??

 

[rennea]

OMG! Is all I have to say! How very Rude! Sad too, that inactive, or old cheffer frenz on here would see this message! PC consultant or not I feel they are still welcome!

That's what I'm getting at........hope you didn't think that I meant it!!! I feel that just because Laura isn't a consultant doesn't mean she can't be here with her cheffer friends.

 

[Cassie1037]

For newbies, or seasoned Cheffers-

You cannot take words on a screen, on the internet, to heart or come to gain or lose respect for a person behind a screenname. Unless you personally know someone, don't think that you do because you are part of the same community-online. Let's not be niave here. :cry:

The bottom line here is respect one another. The type of behavior shown in this thread is not anything to be proud of- for anyone involved.

 

[chefmeg]

Actually you're misinformed. You can resign your directorship by submitting a letter to the home office, yes. However, if you'd like to remain an active consultant, you need to include in the letter to KEEP your active status as such. (which I did). It's in the Director handbook I believe.

I am glad you don't know many that were terminated. I personally know 3 in my upline's team specifically that were terminated, and Tom. I am sure there are more. I was told that I was terminated because "they could" and after digging, found out that my upline threw a fit and the home office had already gotten wind of other upper level directors leaving PC - or signing their husbands up for another business, too. I'm talking folks who are in catalogs, and names well known. No, it was not "willy nilly". The corporation saw a need to terminate us because apparently it was a threat and I (along with Tom and the others) was made to be a statement to other directors. On my phone call with Marla and Jean, they informed me that I did nothing wrong - it was just a business decision on their part.

However, one of my friends resigned her directorship with PC, but wanted to remain an active consultant. She resigned her team to let go of the responsibility so that she could get a full time job with her old company, but she was still terminated.

I am not misinformed...you can resign your Directorship and remain a Consultant....you do not get terminated. You are typing as if PC decided, that out of this whole company of consultants that are consultants with other DS companies, somehow they found you and Tom a threat??? You give yourself WAY too much credit. Grow up and admit you did wrong and then move on with your veiled recruting tactics on this board....I am off to work my business...with ethics and morals, thank you.

 

[BethCooks4U]

And about trying to recruit YOU, Beth? I have never given any info to anyone that did not ASK for it. If I gave you info, it was AFTER you asked me to share.

I asked you to tell me the name of the company and a link to it's website. I did not ask for the page of information and PC bashing that you pm'd me. Want me to post it here?

 

[Pampered Laura]

I am not misinformed...you can resign your Directorship and remain a Consultant....you do not get terminated. You are typing as if PC decided, that out of this whole company of consultants that are consultants with other DS companies, somehow they found you and Tom a threat??? You give yourself WAY too much credit. Grow up and admit you did wrong and then move on with your veiled recruting tactics on this board....I am off to work my business...with ethics and morals, thank you.

Oops - I misread your original question. I thought you were saying "It is my understanding that after you resign your directorship you were terminated as a consultant" to mean that you thought if someone resigns they were automatically terminated. My bad, sorry.

Like I said, I don't necessarily think they saw me and Tom as a threat... from what I got through my conversations with Marla and Jean, the whole situation was a threat because Tom and I were not the only ones resigning.

I'm still happy with the fact that we at least resigned our directorship BEFORE signing with another company. There are a few upper level directors who chose to sign their husbands or are just keeping it a secret. That's not me. I got terminated for telling PC what I was doing. So be it.

 

[chefruthie]

NOt sure how long you have been around, but I posted a message on here 7 months ago, saying that I had resigned my directorship to do something else. I wasnt "PROSPECTING!!!!!" lol.
Ooh - I also called my mom and told her what I was doing... she's a PC consultant. Should I not have told her either because *gasp* she might ask where I was going??

I've been a member since 2005. Didn't you give the name of the company that you and Tom went to here on this board. I remember getting the name here and reading about the new company from you. I asked in an earlier post, how many fromer PC consultants are in your downline.....Tom's downline?

 

[chefmeg]

You're right. Your story is NOT 100%. You weren't there. Some folks hear something and go "omg, seriously?? WOW thats so wrong and I'm going to tell everyone about it before I ask the person who is being blamed for that!".
Those are sad folks.

And about trying to recruit YOU, Beth? I have never given any info to anyone that did not ASK for it. If I gave you info, it was AFTER you asked me to share.

I know from several consultants that asked only what the name of your "new adventure" was that more than that was emailed to them...it was WAAAYY more than any of them asked for...i am thinking that woud have been off-putting to begin with and probably set you up for their radar to be up when you post..................

 

[Pampered Laura]

I've been a member since 2005. Didn't you give the name of the company that you and Tom went to here on this board. I remember getting the name here and reading about the new company from you. I asked in an earlier post, how many fromer PC consultants are in your downline.....Tom's downline?

No, I have not said the name of the company on this board that I can remember... people have asked and I have refrained from posting it.
I have 20ish active consultants on my team. A couple of them are friends I made from PC days, and I believe 1 of them knows what Chef Success is but she doesn't post here.

 

[Pampered Laura]

I know from several consultants that asked only what the name of your "new adventure" was that more than that was emailed to them...it was WAAAYY more than any of them asked for...i am thinking that woud have been off-putting to begin with and probably set you up for their radar to be up when you post..................

Probably. I tend to "throw up" on people when I get excited about something. It's a fault that I'm working on.

 

[Veevahchef]

:sing: :sing: :sing: :sing: :sing:

 

[chefruthie]

No, I have not said the name of the company on this board that I can remember... people have asked and I have refrained from posting it.
I have 20ish active consultants on my team. A couple of them are friends I made from PC days, and I believe 1 of them knows what Chef Success is but she doesn't post here.

http://www.myprivatequarters.com/index.php

his quarter auctions are kind of hard to explain... he made fun of me for being so freakin' dense when he tried to explain it to me. Brat. LOL

That was the first time you posted the website. There are more.

 

[BethCooks4U]

I've been a member since 2005. Didn't you give the name of the company that you and Tom went to here on this board. I remember getting the name here and reading about the new company from you. I asked in an earlier post, how many fromer PC consultants are in your downline.....Tom's downline?

I know of two that were prominent posters on CS.

 

[chefruthie]

I know of two that were prominent posters on Chef Success.

I know of those two also. I'd just like Laura to admit to it.

 

[Addie4TLC]

I know of those two also. I'd just like Laura to admit to it.

And that she baited people to ask and then sent them a VERY lenghty letter that explained in detail why her Co was much better than PC. Saying "I'm trying to do everything by the book..." and share because you did ask FIRST. I didn't know anything about anything back then but it was clear to me this person was recruiting on CS.

 

[baychef]

This post was nicely floating down the page and into the sunset. Whether anyone is right or wrong, it is obvious that we are at a stand off ladies and both sides will stand firm....DROP IT FOR GOD'S SAKE!

 

[Pampered Laura]

If you two know everything why are you asking me? That's not trying to trap me or nail me to the wall? Please.

Ruthie where is that post from with the website link? It sounds like I was talking about Quarter auctions, but you have cut out most of my post...

Anyway, this has been SUPER fun ladies, but it's time to "shake it off".

 

[Pampered Laura]

I'm sure pitchfork posts will be coming saying "see look she got caught, so she wants this to die"... but honestly. It's time. Believe what you want. Maybe Deb or Greg will remove the whole thing and you guys can stew in your hatred and anger on someone elses post.

 

[chefruthie]

I didn't cut anything out of it. I quoted the whole post. Yes you were talking about quarter auctions and while talking about that you put the website info in there too.

 

[chefruthie]

I'm sure pitchfork posts will be coming saying "see look she got caught, so she wants this to die"... but honestly. It's time. Believe what you want. Maybe Deb or Greg will remove the whole thing and you guys can stew in your hatred and anger on someone elses post.

I can only speak for myself but I have never wanted anger or hatred, only honesty and integrity.

 

[Addie4TLC]

If you two know everything why are you asking me? That's not trying to trap me or nail me to the wall? Please.

Ruthie where is that post from with the website link? It sounds like I was talking about Quarter auctions, but you have cut out most of my post...

Anyway, this has been SUPER fun ladies, but it's time to "shake it off".

If you're talking about me, not at all... Just tired of the persecuted victim act. It would be nice to see you admit that you made a mistake doing that, sending those detailed letters enticing people to your new company. Maybe not eveyone got the same letter, but the one I saw was VERY clear and a blatant atempt to recruit. I could also post the copy if you want. We are worried for the new people that see your posts and fall for the same trick, that's all. I know you have friends here that care for you and you have earned that by being nice and sharing. I don't think you're a bad person just someone that is human and made a mistake.

 

[Shawnna]

This is ridiculous...Laura did not tell any of us anything until she was asked over and over again. I appreciate the help that Laura has given me in the past and I did not think she was trying to "sign us up" for anything. I do not know Laura personally. I was at NC last year when all of this happened and I never once heard anyone say anything about PQ. When I got back and found out what happened I couldn't believe it.

My thoughts on the termination thing...and they are my thoughts, not something I know...As a business owner I can see things a little differently.

1. If I had a manager who did a great job for me and she/he suddenly said "I don't want to be the manager anymore, I just want to work. Let someone else be the manager" how would that work? Okay, today you are the boss and tomorrow you are not the boss, but the person you were "over" was now the boss. You will not want the new boss to tell you what to do or how to do it because yesterday you were telling them. While PC is differently structured, it would still put people in an awkward position.
2. If my top selling people come to me and say "I am going to sell for this other company too, so I don't want to be in charge anymore" I would definately feel threatened. My first thought is that now my top people are putting less time into my product because they are selling for someone else too. This takes away from my bottom line. My second thought would be "OH NO, that is not happening. My people are not selling for someone else because they are good sales people and they will take from my business". Why would I want you here when you weren't giving me 100% of your time?

Is it right...not necesarily. When people begin to change loyalties, you begin to look at the bottom line and make whatever adjustments you think you need to make...whether it is to send a message to everyone else, to protect yourself, or just because you are mad that someone would do that to you.

I am very sorry for Laura. She resigned her directorship...it was not taken from her. And, the fact that they terminated her contract after she resigned had nothing to do with morals or ethics. She followed the rules by telling them she was resigning and why. She has never bashed PC. Yes, she was upset at first, but she did not bash PC. Some people see "PC Bashing" in everything...remember the thread about someone being upset over their SAT package. Somehow it turned into a big fight because someone thought someone was bashing PC. We work for a great company. I have not seen anyone bash PC on here. We come here to help each other and vent. Because it is better to vent here to our fellow consultants than to our guests and hosts. When we vent here, our friends will "talk us through" these issues and perhaps when we are calm we will see it differently.

As for her downline switching companies...that is a personal thing. If they respect Laura and believe in her it would be a natural thing to want to join in a new venture with her...the same for Tom. PC lost a lot of money when these 2 left. They were top consultants.

Once again I am rethinking whether or not I want to be a part of this community. We are not going to agree on everything...what group of people does...but we don't have to tear each other apart. As a Christian I am appalled at the things other "Christians" say and do. We need to be Christ-like and set a good example. And yes, I realize that not everyone on here is a Christian. But how about we just be decent people and remember that we are all human and treat each other as such.