I Learned What Not to Say to a Potential Recruit!

[chefann]

Sex (in the Catholic church and what I was raised with) is for procreation ONLY. Birth control was seen as bad, so when you have sex, you better be trying for a kid, and you better NOT enjoy it!

I had a post typed up that said basically the same thing, and then I deleted it. I think that it's this teaching that is the direct cause of her termination from the church staff.

(It's also one of the things I disagree with the church about, but that's a whole 'nother topic.)

 

[GeorgiaPeach]

You know he's going to stay away from this thread. LOL

I'm not sure how I feel about it... Just thinking "outloud": I can understand the church's position, but it isn't like she's the minister. People have lives outside of their church, and while PR might not be my thing, as long as she's doing an honest day's work, why should they care?

Many companies (and churches) have morality clauses in their contracts with employees. We've seen women kicked out of the armed service for posing nude in Playboy. Our church daycare had a policy that said they could fire you if you lived with someone or got pregnant out of wedlock. Every employer has the right to set the rules and if you don't like them or disagree, you are free to find work elsewhere. (I'm saying that as a statement of fact, not with a snotty tone...since you can't "hear" me say this )

I've been a pastor's wife for almost 23 years. Whether it's fair or not, people in ministry (whether it's in the pulpit, teaching the children, or leading the choir) are held to a higher standard that those people that sit in the pew. I know of churches that won't hire staff that have been divorced, that have unsecured debt, wive's that work outside the home, the list goes on and on. We've been lucky that we've only HEARD of these churches, have never had to deal with them

 

[cmdtrgd]

Hiring someone is different than keeping someone from volunteering. I mean, my gosh! She can't even be in the choir?!?

 

[StacieB]

Wow that was a gutsy way to go about it!!

 

[MGG]

WOOO, hold on guys. I am not catholic anymore (grew up catholic), choose to be baptist in HS and then nondenominational in college and did some missionary work. The Catholic faith DOES believes in the timing method of birth control not in using foreign objects or hormones. They also have no set belief on not enjoying sex, but on keeping it pure and holy--within wedlock and no anal or oral. Oral is debatable depending on the denomination and church.
I agree with the pastor's decision, if she's a leader be it voluntary or not she is for that time representing the church. I mostly think his decision was not because the toys may promote sex out of wedlock, but more likely because a huge percentage of the toys are for the purpose of masturbation. Big no no according to the Catholic church.

FYI--Just informing. My personal beliefs are pretty much anything within marriage is OK, but some places are for exit only--thank God my husband agrees-no anal thank you very much! Now growing up Catholic it was a BIG deal to be married in white (and not white b/c it's your first wedding). I just grew up with super strict teachings--no premarital sex and don't even think of coming home pregnant!! I was actually scared to tell my parents I was pregnant with our first child even though at the time we had been married over a year. I was shocked that they were happy for us!

 

[cmdtrgd]

Like I said in my above post, that was how I grew up. The congregation, priests, parents and physical location have a lot to do with what is taught and how. I grew up in the south where Catholics were die hard.It doesn't matter why (in my opinion) she was asked to leave. I sort of agree with her not being in a position of influence but not with how that was done. Also, to keep someone from singing in the choir is ludicrous! That's like saying "I'm sorry, you're different so God won't accept your prayers".

 

[Paige Dixon]

Go for the new Covered Baker. That would be very difficult to break but extremely handsome with a wonderful cassarole in it!
As for the PP thing. Just that scares me! (PP - PeePee! Funny the nicknames are the same!) I actually met someone too who does that. I made the mistake of asking that one questions. Guys? Well, she just about shoved one of the darn "things" in my face and said that was a wonderful idea. I have to admit, I hang with a few kinky people who would love that stuff but geez! But I mean a few. So where else do you go? Could you imagine a pic of a big ole, well, you know, on the grocery store bulletin board or even on the BB at work! Plus a fact I don't think I could keep a straight, pun intended, face through a demo! And how do you demo? Could you even talk about what to do with those things? Oh my, I am embarassing myself just thinking about it! YYYEEEWWWW!

Way to Go Anne!

Maybe it could be an instructional demo, full of all sorts of useful tips.

 

[naekelsey]

Being a military wife, these parties are wonderful. It never fails, when a ship leaves for deployment (gone for at least 6 months) 1 wife holds a show shortly after...The last one was over $2000 in sales. Then a wife from the ship holds a party about 1 month before the ship comes home so they can buy products to show off when the spouse gets back...They are also high shows.

I used to sell these products but with a different company. I didn't mind showing them off. It was actually kind of fun watching the girls go crazy. I really didn't make a profit off of it so I quit. (I wasn't real good at booking parties because I was lazy)

Most of these types of companies do not send the consultant a ck. What happens is, you have the party, then order what you didn't have at say 65% of the cost in the catalog. The other 35% the consultant keeps. And I only had a few bags of stuff I carried around, enough room to bring lots of goodies.

And the person who mentioned this is correct. When you place your order you are taken into another room where no one can hear you. Then your items are placed in a brown bag, stapled, so noone can see what you brought.

I did throw one a few years ago and did invite my mom. She, and the others, had a blast!! She raised my sis and I not to be ashamed of ourselves. And was very open about anything asked of her. (of course, age appropiate answers)

 

[AJPratt]

Lisa: Thanks for your valued insight! I guess when you choose a life of ministry, there are sacrifices. I currently work at an "at will" company, which means they can do ANYTHING they want to me and as long as I stay, it means I am "OK" with it. Sheez.

Kate: I see what you're saying. With attendance and volunteerism down, I was surprised that they asked, what I would consider to be a very dedicated member, to leave the church.

naekelsey: I do think there is a market for this for sure.

John: OMG!! I just read your post... ROTFLMAO

 

[Veevahchef]

Wow.... I belong to a Catholic church and those women are constantly having those kind of Parties! I just don't think it is a big deal anyway. I love going to those parties. Mind you I haven't bought "Toys" at them (ha ha ha... im sure you really believe me) But I love those kamsutra powders and lotions and massage oils and those neat things that get hot that you can give massages with ..... sooooo nice.
I do think that Canadians tend to be a little more laid back about those things though (what with all the beer swillin, hockey watchin going on around here), not sure if that is good or bad, but seems like in the case of religion, they seem a lot more "Old School" in some other countries.
I think old school religions take on sexuality is that the Husband gets what he needs and its almost as if the wife CANNOT enjoy sex. Like it is wrong for a woman to enjoy sex. But we are no longer anyones property, we have the right to vote, to speak, and to enjoy sex, and if we want to buy (or sell) toys to have a little extra enjoyment with our hubbies or have "relations with ourselves" (lol), it doesn't hurt anyone.

 

[MomToEli]

This is one thread that if you are gone from it very long it takes some very interesting detours ... not that I've noticed a clearly marked road or anything to stray from ... so i don't feel really guilty bringing this up in here ... (gotta go where the people are, ya know?)

Anyway, does anyone have the Deep Dish Baker and actually use it to cook in - not just the tenderloin and chicken? I'd like to do a roast, but need to know how to do it. Am thinking regular oven ...

 

[raebates]

You've been around here a while. That doesn't really surprise you. Does it?

 

[MomToEli]

Not at all That's why I didn't hesitate to hijack the thread.

That word looks really funny for some reason ....

 

[chefann]

Not at all That's why I didn't hesitate to hijack the thread.

That word looks really funny for some reason ....

It's because there's h-i-j, right in a row, like in the middle of the alphabet.

 

[baychef]

I have missed this thread too! Had lots of extra stuff to do last month. Here's my two dollars and fifty cents:

1. The point Ann was making (love that name by the way whether it is with or without and "e") was the recruiting conversation. It sounded to me as if this Passion Party consultant wanted to throw in the recruiting lines as an addition to her main goal of running another company into the ground.

2. I had a friend who did Secret Desires parties and made a mint off her parties...she lived on a military post and the men (and women, but mainly men) are either in the field or deployed. (These products have kept military marriages together!) When we talked about the benefits of each company, her company gave just straight commission. They did not earn trips and other benefits that we get with PC. Just a difference in direct sales policies. Bottom line (no pun intended!!) is that you have to love the product you are selling and have the knowledge of showing your customer how your product can better his or her life.

3. Sex sells and there is much more "passion" on tv then when I was a kid (that's right, tv wouldn't be invented for another 1,000 years) I turn violence off.

4. Don't get me started about the Catholic church. I was raised Catholic and my opinions of the Catholic church are best kept to myself.

5. I can tell you jokes that will turn your face the darkest shade of red and I can get my mind in the gutter faster than the speed of sound, but I wouldn't be caught dead at a passion party. For me...that is my private life and only my business. If I needed these products, I would find a way to purchase them. They are not for me, but I do not care if anyone else attends them. Sounds like they are having some good fun.

The world is much more enlightened now that I have shared my opinions !!! And Anne, you are right....KG would have made that comment!!