Non-Payment: What to Do When a Cheffer Refuses to Answer?

[amy07]

If anyone is reading this that donated money to Darby's "cause" and hasn't PM'd me the amout please do so. I have PM'd everyone on the Holy Sh** thread and will post a total when I get one.

PLEASE PM ME IF YOU DONATED TO DARBY! $ AMOUNT AND PAYPAL or MAIL!

Sheesh!
I couldn't read all the posts on this thread, and I didn't read the other one as well.............BUT I did want to say thank you to Gillian. She & I had a transaction last month that went well. Took longer to arrive than either of us would have thought (she's in alaska, me virginia), but we maintained contact with each other. There is hope for all of us that we can conduct business WITH each other and it go well.

Good luck to all of you that are/were involved in this web!

 

[AJPratt]

I'm baaaaaaaack!Well, I took the time to read through all of the posts and I am sure I am about to make myself VERY unpopular. I am not going to go line by line, accusation by accusation, or "evidence" by "evidence" about this. I am only going to post about what I know. So there was an issue about a pitcher and it was resolved. Fine. I don't know how my donating to someone for whatever reason became anyone else's business.

First, to answer the question about why KG hasn't posted about this: He was completely turned off by this thread (and I apologize to him for posting this), but he feels that whether or not Darby was right or wrong, that no one deserves that kind of treatment. And he probably won't be on here for a while. I am glad that this wasn't deleted because, I would be confused about the hostility.

Second, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE ALL COMPLAINED ABOUT THE CSR's at HO? The lack of consistency? I have called numerous times in the same two day time frame and no one had that documented.

Third, so, what is to become of Darby, do we shun her now? Do we ignore her? What do we do? Or should we just stone her if she attends conference? What was to be accomplished by this? I'll tell you-- it is VERY possible that PC will ask Deb to close down this site because of all of the complaints. Then where will we be?

Fourth, Darby did not ask for help. I (and many others) offered it. If I was duped, fine. I would rather be duped than to find someone really needed help and I was too afraid to offer it (That was for you, Paige). And SO WHAT if Darby made errors with the details or whatever. The money went to a good cause. YOU donated the money for whatever reason. YOU chose to donate it. End of story. Why involve HO? Why are they responsible?

Fifth, have we moved from Darby to jump on Paige? She was exaggerating something to simply make a point. Freedom of speech, people. Paige never intended to upset anyone, but she has a point about people standing up for what they believed. Paige, I have NO problem for what you said about 9/11. And, YES, I feel And I feel that I can take that liberty because living in Jersey, I knew multiple people lost in the WTC. And if you don't believe me, I don't care. The moment we aren't able to say what we feel, well, we're no better than the enemy. And if what I said offends you, than feel free to "unfriend" me or whatever you want. Hell, I leave this site like KG.

Sixth, I frankly, find the fact the HO gives out such information FAR MORE offensive than anything Darby did or didn't do. I am SHOCKED that others aren't contacting HO about their privacy policy. This information should NEVER have been given out. If they were investigating they should have just taken the account of the incident and followed up, rather than share such details with some random caller. Sorry, but anyone could call and make up a story like this.

The only people who REALLY know what happened are Darby and HO, and honetly, I'm not so sure about HO these days--based on my own personal experiences.

And, don't anyone include me in any complaints to the HO. I am at peace with what has happened--a women's shelter got a donation.

Sorry this was so long, but there were 27 pages of posts to consider. And, if I am wrong about Darby, fine. I have friends from all walks of life, good and bad, so I am very comfortable with the company I choose to keep.

 

[cmdtrgd]

Anne,Glad you are back and I couldn't have said it better myself. I posted a few times at the beginning and got so disgusted with people jumping on the "kill Darby" bandwagon that I have tried my best not to come back and read any more posts. However, when I see that someone I respect has posted, I have to read what they said. That being said, I do not think that anyone has a right to smash anyone else unless they have been harmed by that person. So, unless you sent money to Darby (and I didn't), then you should not feel violated. I'm not saying you don't have a right, just what did she do to YOU? If you did send money to Darby, then you have something invested in this. Remember that she did not ask for our help. And as for money going to an upline instead of straight to a consultant, what good would that do? If you don't want to be "duped", don't give out your money!!!!!And lastly, I am scared at the amount of info that someone NOT in Darby's upline was able to get so much info about her! What should have happened is that the discrepancies were reported and that HO would take care of it. I don't want to have someone out there ruining PC's name (not saying that Darby did...I have nothing invested and therefore made no judgement after my last post in this thread) because that hurts my business as well as all the other honest PC consultants out there. THAT IS WHAT HO DOES!!!!! They protect us, not give out cannon fodder. Okay, I have said my piece and hopefully won't come back to this thread as it makes me ill to read it.

 

[Admin Greg]

My mind has melted from reading this thread. I think this is a "fair" reminder and call back to reality that this is an open community and will stay open. This whole thing really is a shame because 99.99% of the community is beyond fantastic and we shouldn't let a "possible" mishap skew our perceptions. I am with AJPratt with being confused why PC has anything to do with this matter. And AJPratt, PC can never shut ChefSuccess down, we are a private independant entity with no connections to Pampered Chef. Everything is in my name. Anyway, lets put this all behind us and move on. If in the future any empirical and conclusive evidence is found that darby scammed people, here proper actions will be taken. Until then relax, have fun and remember that "no one knows your a dog on the internet". Matter closed. Concerns can be expressed to me via PM.

 

[yummy4tummy]

Okay, in light of the events of this thread I feel like I must quit "lurking" (although that is not what I have been doing) and add my say to this topic. First off, since I was the initial person to step up to offer the "Help Darby Campaign" I feel it is my place to sincerely apologize to all the others that were innocently dragged into this whole ordeal. I would like to add that I didn't interact with Darby any more than the rest of you....and a lot less than some of you. That being said, I also would like to let you know that I will not allow this distasteful experience sway me from future "random acts of kindness". I will however not openly recruit others to jump on board with me. Rest assured I will do A LOT more homework too before I act. Once again I humbly apologize to all others.

I have to commend Elaine for bravely standing her ground when others poo-pooed her idea. It is a very lonely feeling being the only one willing to stick out your neck (believe me I have been there myself). I do have to agree with Anne Pratt though on the confidentiality issues with HO. I also wanted to post my PM that I sent to Gillian. If I have offended some of you, that is not my intention...but I guess you can add me to your "ignore list" if you so choose. I hope that we can all resume back to "normal" here sometime and see this as it was. Thanks for reading.



MY PM to Gillian:
I sent Darby $10 through PP and when she said she got things straightened out with HO and "felt she needed to return the money" I just waited. I didn't request the $ back nor did I ask her to donate it. I feel that the right thing to do (IMO) would have been to send the $ back to the people that sent it NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAID and let them donated to whomever themselves (IF they choose to do so). Is that my fault for not speaking up? Absolutely! I am by no stretch of the imagination "well off" but I blow more money at yard sales (my version of therapy LOL) That is why I figured I would just see what she did on her own. I am not passing judgement on anyone involved in this whole thing. I would just like to be totally informed.

 

[chefjenibel]

Anne,
Good for you! I have been reading all of this and it has actually been disheartening to read all of the accusations everyone has made. After reading this last night, I went back to the "original thread" and cut and pasted EVERY post by Darby into a word doc just so I could read how everything seemed to play out. I didn't see any glaring discrepancies. Like Anne said, I can totally see how HO may not have record of all of her phone calls. I don't think there is any way Darby could have made up that whole story and keep it going for so long. She also filed a police report. She had a show for the officer and his wife (yes, your sales can easily double within a few days with a really motivated host, mine just did this week) Again, forgive me Anne, but like she said, it was a fellow cheffer who OFFERED to donate money to Darby. She never even hinted at wanting money from any of us. If you chose to donate the money, you did it to help her out. After it was resolved by HO, she said she donated the money to the shelter. Yes, it is obvious by the back of that check that it is inconsistent with her story. Maybe she neglected to make the donation. It sounded also like she had a huge problem with her account info being stolen (BTW, this was also mentioned in another of Darby's posts prior to this in a completely unrelated thread) Maybe it just slipped her mind or she hadn't gotten around to it yet. Or maybe she used the money to help clear up some of the problems she's had as a result of all of this. I don't know.
She stepped up and came clean about neglecting to pay for the pitcher and then promptly paid it. Then she felt she had to defend what had happened on the other post. Put yourself in her shoes. She felt it necessary to prove that she had made that donation. If this had happened to any of you, would you then make a post admitting that you still had everyones donations? This thread would have continued to persecute her regardless of what she said. No-one was willing to hear what she was trying to say. Wether she donated the money or not is a non-issue, you made a donation to help her. What she chose to do with those funds was up to her. If you wanted the money back, you should have PM'd or emailed her and asked her personally for your money back.
I also feel that HO should not be involved in this "scam". They have absolutely no control over what is being posted and what we choose to do about that. If we make a huge issue of being scammed on an online forum, what do you think they will say?
I'm sure we can all be certain that Darby will never again be on this forum. I am also unsure of my own participation on here. When I joined nearly a year ago, I loved this place because it was so upbeat and everyone was so willing to help everyone out! Lately, it seems like every time someone posts any kind of negativity, many others jump on the bandwagon and start complaining right along with them. This accomplishes nothing. If you want an example, simply do a search for FedEx and you will get many examples. I'm so sorry this has escalated to this. I would love to hear from anyone else who would like to express support or compassion for Darby.

 

[yummy4tummy]

thanks Greg for letting me get this in.

 

[Admin Greg]

My mind has melted from reading this thread. I think this is a "fair" reminder and call back to reality that this is an open community and will stay open. This whole thing really is a shame because 99.99% of the community is beyond fantastic and we shouldn't let a "possible" mishap skew our perceptions. I am with AJPratt with being confused why PC has anything to do with this matter. And AJPratt, PC can never shut ChefSuccess down, we are a private independant entity with no connections to Pampered Chef. Everything is in my name. Anyway, lets put this all behind us and move on. If in the future any empirical and conclusive evidence is found that darby scammed people, here proper actions will be taken. Until then relax, have fun and remember that "no one knows your a dog on the internet". Matter closed. Concerns can be expressed to me via PM.