Is there too much emphasis on recruitment in the direct sales industry?

[ChefJoyJ]

Hey, just tell them you were about to give birth...baby dropping...

LOL!!

don't you just love when the computer tells you your message is too short and you have to add something, even though your original message says it all?

 

[MaddyandOwensMom]

The ORIGINAL post was asking if others felt like PC has switched their FOCUS to recruiting - there is NOTHING negative about that.
People are stating that they are not ready to do that in their business - there is NOTHING negative about that, either.

Thank you Jenna. I can't believe the can of worms I opened up! I really wasn't complaining or whining, it was just that I have been feeling that the focus was shifting and that I am not comfortable with that. Everyone has hers or his goals and recruiting CAN be a part of that. I am not against recruiting in the least and I have a great Director who is wonderful at it and never applies any pressure to me. My reasons for joining PC were because I wanted to help my family financially, earn some great products, and move out of my comfort zone and grow personally. If someone wanted to join me along the way, great, but I wasn't going to be someone who asked everyone at every show. I certainly make mention of it and offer literature because it is part of the job. But it really is up to me how much of my job I make it.
Jessica

 

[pampchefrhondab]

I have the same opinion as many of you. I think HO is pushing recruiting a lot. I didn't have a problem with it at first because of the time I've been in the business. I am ready to move to the next level, but I did and have started to worry about the new recruits. I'm not sure how I would have perceived this push when I first started with the business. After all our perception is our reality. Thus the push for recruiting is going to be perceived so many different ways as illustrated in everyone's post here.

Even though I was concerned about the push, I wasn't upset about it until it has now become part of the incentive package. Especially as others have mentioned for level one.

After being in the business for 3 years I feel like I'm finally getting to the business level to reach an incentive and then they make it harder. It does get discouraging. I have the personality to continue striving to get better, but I can see where a lot of people would just see it as unatainable and give up. I think this is a mistake for the business, but then I'm not sitting on the Executive Board. Maybe I can't see the "Big Picture."

I agree with what someone else said, they do need to look at "why" they are losing so many consultants. I have mentioned before how my old director quit. She did get discouraged w/the company because of the incentives getting harder. She always would tell me, we used to get so much more stuff. She would also say how it was better before Doris sold it. I think the perks are part of the reason people like doing direct sales. A perk makes you happy (like receiving flowers from your hubby! I know I'm more likely to tell people about the company when I'm earning perks. I'll tell a friend, family member, co-worker how I just received a box from the Pampered Chef with over $100 in products. I'll tell them it's like Christmas all over again. This gives me more opportunity to recruit. If I'm not earning the perks, I may not be as likely to discuss the business.

By HO adding the recruting requirement to the incentive packages, I get the feeling the recruiting push has not been working so far. Just by the way my cluster has dropped since I first joined, I figured the total consultant number was dropping, but I never heard the total number before until the post above. How do we find out the total consultant number?

I still love the Pampered Chef. I'm in it for a minimum of 5 years whether I earn a trip or not. This was the committment I gave to myself when I first started the business. It keeps me going!

 

[heat123]

Nice post Rhonda, very well said.

 

[CookingwithMary]

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I think there is a way to make this work, though. I'd like to see a way for someone to recruit and earn the perks that go with it, but then have the ability to pass the recruit to a director who loves to be a manager. The result could be a win-win deal for the recruiter, the director and the company, but more importantly, to the recruit.

Just my viewpoint.

My viewpoint too. Thanks, Kitchen Guy.

FWIW, I do not want to supervise/ direct, hold group meetings, etc. Have supervised for decades in the corporate world, and it no longer appeals for several reasons.

I love PC products, but am not happy with this push for recruitment. Did not speak up until now, because I am especially annoyed having to recruit to earn trips, etc. I do offer the opportunity.

The situation has made me rethink if I should continue or hang up my apron.

Sadly,

 

[MaddyandOwensMom]

I think the idea of giving yourself 5 years is excellent. I think it can really give you a fair opportunity. I know a bunch af ladies who joined when I did or later that have already thrown in the apron, if you will. I would love to know why. As a friend who had been with another DS company said, the expectations given to her were not something she could live up to. I think it's very important to have goals, but I think they need to be attainable given your situation. One of the ladies was told she could make $500 a month and she was thrilled. Yes I think this is attainable, but for her situation, maybe not-full-time job, a young child, and a husband. I'm just guessing, but when was she going to spend time with her child if she was doing 8 shows a month? I know that's a bit off topic, but some have wondered why the new focus.

BTW, after I left this thread last night, I got an e-mail from my Director about an offer to do intense training with our speaker from the Conference to help promote to director. It only went to five of us in the cluster and I am very flattered, but it is just not where I am right now. My goal is to fill up the calander consistently. I actually did get on the phone these past two nights and booked two catty shows, so I hope to be headed in the right direction! And just so you know, I actually do have a recruit lead that I would be happy to help along. I realize that it is truly all about her and if some points or a gift card should come my way, that's great, but she has to be ready to take the plunge!
Jessica

 

[The_Kitchen_Guy]

LOL!!

don't you just love when the computer tells you your message is too short and you have to add something, even though your original message says it all?

Yeah.

rzzllbrzt minimums

 

[The_Kitchen_Guy]

My viewpoint too. Thanks, Kitchen Guy.

FWIW, I do not want to supervise/ direct, hold group meetings, etc. Have supervised for decades in the corporate world, and it no longer appeals for several reasons.

I love PC products, but am not happy with this push for recruitment. Did not speak up until now, because I am especially annoyed having to recruit to earn trips, etc. I do offer the opportunity.

The situation has made me rethink if I should continue or hang up my apron.

Sadly,

You, at least, posted your feelings. How many more people are there out there who will not bother to post their feelings? How many of those will just quietly go away? Without an exit interview, how does HO have any idea why they're losing recruits as fast as they get them?

This is just like banks - if they spent half as much money on keeping existing customers happy as they spend on marketing to get new customers, they wouldn't have to spend so much time marketing to get new ones.

Why is that such a difficult concept for corporate managers to understand?

 

[legacypc46]

This is just like banks - if they spent half as much money on keeping existing customers happy as they spend on marketing to get new customers, they wouldn't have to spend so much time marketing to get new ones.

Why is that such a difficult concept for corporate managers to understand?

Great point. A lot of folks leave the business because of factors outside PC's control....but it would be worth surverying to find out the 'why' for the others. A lot of us are drawn to PC because of the value system it was founded on. I don't mind helping the company grow (in fact, I'm happy to :angel: ), but I wish they would market the whole recruiting campaign differently. I would prefer they ask me to help grow the company, than trying to appeal to the 'what's in it for me' factor. People do amazing things when asked to support something they believe in.

 

[BethCooks4U]

Great point. A lot of folks leave the business because of factors outside PC's control....but it would be worth surverying to find out the 'why' for the others. A lot of us are drawn to PC because of the value system it was founded on. I don't mind helping the company grow (in fact, I'm happy to :angel: ), but I wish they would market the whole recruiting campaign differently. I would prefer they ask me to help grow the company, than trying to appeal to the 'what's in it for me' factor. People do amazing things when asked to support something they believe in.

Send those comments to HO.

 

[RebelChef]

Why is that such a difficult concept for corporate managers to understand?

Because that's just common sense and they rely on business and marketing degrees. They're too busy trying to outsmart the average consumer/customer while worrying about the bottom line rather than customer service, which promotes company loyalty. If they worried more about customer service and loyalty, they would never need to worry about the bottom line. It would take care of itself.

 

[The_Kitchen_Guy]

I think it also has something to do with performance reviews and empire building. "Look, Mommy! See how many new customers/consultants I brought in!" sounds so much sexier than "Look, Mommy! See how many customers/consultants I kept!"It's all about growth - never mind that growth is pointless if it matches shrinkage.

 

[The_Kitchen_Guy]

Send those comments to HO.

Better to send the entire thread with the salient points highlighted. Those at HO who are really interested (boxes and circles) will read the entire thread but those who won't read the entire thread (triangles and squiggles) need an executive summary.

Maybe I'll do that when this finally tapers off.

 

[ChefMoore]

I think it would be a great idea to send the thread to HO, because as much as we all like to vent and discuss things on this site, you can be sure there will not be any change if HO doesn't see any of it. If they see it, they at least know that some people are unhappy about the new recruiting requirements, and then they can decide from there if they want to ammend the requirements at all. It's still early in the year, they definately could if they wanted to. But they won't unless they know there is dissatisfaction.

 

[Chef Kearns]

I tried to post yesterday, but my computer did somethign funky and erased my whole post (it was a long one). I will summarize.

There have been alot of great points made on this discussion. I have been having it with a few fellow consultants myself. What I would like to see PC do is start a different success track for people who are not recruiting-minded. People who are working their businesses hard, but are not willing or able to recruit should still have the opportunity to earn wonderful things from the company. Similar to KG's idea.

I have been with PC for 4-1/2 years. For the past few months I have been tettering on leaving the company. It is getting extremely frustrating that I have been unable to reach my goals. I have taken training, done step-up and tried to implement many of the wonderful ideas I've learned over the years. I have just not been successful. I just wish that PC recognized (better) people who have consistent sales (mine have been consistently over $3k for the past 6 months) and bookings (at least 3 at every show). Because without hosts and happy customers there is no PC. Sellers and just as important as Recruiter and I wish that it was reflected by the promotions and incentives.

 

[The_Kitchen_Guy]

Well stated, CK.

 

[heat123]

Well stated, CK.

Ditto Sandra and Please Don't leave PC!

 

[ChefLisa]

For the first two years of my business I was a total hobbyist. I even got the "you are about to go inactive" letter three times, but never went inactive. I am way too stubborn for that. By the way, as a hobbyist I never came close to earning level 1.

Even in those years of my business, I offered up the opportunity and had a few takers. I think I recruited one person the first year and two the second year.

I think offering the opportunity to everyone we meet is something we should do because how it truly can change someone's life. When I began this business I had another fulltime career (40 - 55 hours a week), three kids (youngest was four months) and a great husband. Even though my husband and I made great livings, I wanted a little something just for me.

After two years in the business, I decided I wanted to spend more time with my kids and I quit my corporate job. If I was not offered the opportunity, I would still be working fulltime and not spend nearly as much time with my kids. Pampered Chef has truly given me so much for which to be thankful.

Knowing what this business has meant to me, I feel a real obligation to offer it to others. You really do not need to want to recruit (by the way, I hate that word) to offer the opportunity.

If you are having problems with getting those fence sitters to give it a try, I suggest a little role playing with your Director. Go through the entire process with him/her as if he/she showed an interest in the business. I know not everyone on here has a Director with whom you can work. If not, find a friend in the business and do the role playing with your friend.

For all of the new people, your Director can help you with your early recruiting. I encourage the Consultants in my downline to have me help them recruit there first few recruits. That is my job as their Director.

Since I quit my fulltime corporate job, I have earned level 1 the past two years. I came close to the trips, but just was off a little. This has been very exciting, but not nearly as exciting as watching the people on my team work their businesses.

Okay, one more thing to add or it will drive me a little crazy. There does seem to be a little bitterness towards Pampered Chef for changing the requirements. When you let this get to you, it will affect how successful you are with your Pampered Chef because the subconscious mind is very powerful. Try to look at the changes as something to work towards. Make offering the opportunity a true goal and do all of the things necessary to make it happen. I promise you it will make you feel GREAT even if you never wanted to recruit.

Thanks!
Lisa

 

[pamperedlinda]

.......recruit (by the way, I hate that word)

I do too! I've tried to think of a better one, but haven't yet.

 

[dianevill]

PartyLite uses "sponsor". That's not so bad...

 

[etteluap70PC]

Try to look at the changes as something to work towards. Make offering the opportunity a true goal and do all of the things necessary to make it happen. I promise you it will make you feel GREAT even if you never wanted to recruit.

Thanks!
Lisa

This is exactly what I plan to do!

I am a bit frustrated by the new guidelines but I am going to use it as the push I need.

 

[ChefLisa]

This is exactly what I plan to do!

I am a bit frustrated by the new guidelines but I am going to use it as the push I need.

Paulette! That is AWESOME! Congratulations on your decision and good luck!

Lisa

 

[fruit76loop]

For the first two years of my business I was a total hobbyist. I even got the "you are about to go inactive" letter three times, but never went inactive. I am way too stubborn for that. By the way, as a hobbyist I never came close to earning level 1.

Even in those years of my business, I offered up the opportunity and had a few takers. I think I recruited one person the first year and two the second year.

I think offering the opportunity to everyone we meet is something we should do because how it truly can change someone's life. When I began this business I had another fulltime career (40 - 55 hours a week), three kids (youngest was four months) and a great husband. Even though my husband and I made great livings, I wanted a little something just for me.

After two years in the business, I decided I wanted to spend more time with my kids and I quit my corporate job. If I was not offered the opportunity, I would still be working fulltime and not spend nearly as much time with my kids. Pampered Chef has truly given me so much for which to be thankful.

Knowing what this business has meant to me, I feel a real obligation to offer it to others. You really do not need to want to recruit (by the way, I hate that word) to offer the opportunity.

If you are having problems with getting those fence sitters to give it a try, I suggest a little role playing with your Director. Go through the entire process with him/her as if he/she showed an interest in the business. I know not everyone on here has a Director with whom you can work. If not, find a friend in the business and do the role playing with your friend.

For all of the new people, your Director can help you with your early recruiting. I encourage the Consultants in my downline to have me help them recruit there first few recruits. That is my job as their Director.

Since I quit my fulltime corporate job, I have earned level 1 the past two years. I came close to the trips, but just was off a little. This has been very exciting, but not nearly as exciting as watching the people on my team work their businesses.

Okay, one more thing to add or it will drive me a little crazy. There does seem to be a little bitterness towards Pampered Chef for changing the requirements. When you let this get to you, it will affect how successful you are with your Pampered Chef because the subconscious mind is very powerful. Try to look at the changes as something to work towards. Make offering the opportunity a true goal and do all of the things necessary to make it happen. I promise you it will make you feel GREAT even if you never wanted to recruit.

Thanks!
Lisa

Gotta love it!!! :sing: :sing:

 

[etteluap70PC]

This is exactly what I plan to do!

I am a bit frustrated by the new guidelines but I am going to use it as the push I need.

I should add that just because it is the push I need for my buis. (which is exactly why PC has done this) It does not mean I feel it is a good direction (recruit, recruit, recruit!!!!) for the company to go in. l think that consultants who work hard and have consistent sales should not be penialized because other people can not make up their minds.

 

[ChefLisa]

I should add that just because it is the push I need for my buis. (which is exactly why PC has done this) It does not mean I feel it is a good direction (recruit, recruit, recruit!!!!) for the company to go in. l think that consultants who work hard and have consistent sales should not be penialized because other people can not make up their minds.

My glass is feeling half full - As Pampered Chef Consultants we are not penalized for not doing something, we are rewarded for accomplishments!

Hey, if a person like me can do it (sometimes a little lazy, unorganized and not the best with follow-up) anyone can do it!

 

[fruit76loop]

My glass is feeling half full - As Pampered Chef Consultants we are not penalized for not doing something, we are rewarded for accomplishments!

Hey, if a person like me can do it (sometimes a little lazy, unorganized and not the best with follow-up) anyone can do it!

Not stirring pot....keeping mouth shut

Good point Lisa!!

 

[Addie4TLC]

My glass is feeling half full - As Pampered Chef Consultants we are not penalized for not doing something, we are rewarded for accomplishments!

Hey, if a person like me can do it (sometimes a little lazy, unorganized and not the best with follow-up) anyone can do it!

That's how I feel. To add to your list.. I have never been a great cook and don't consider myself one now! The funny thing is these very traits help me recruit with that very reasoning! I earned level TWO strictly because of recruiting (19 last year) My sales did not even hit $15K in the year. BIG difference from my first year when I sold $18K and I started in September! There is no doubt in my mind that my sales suffered because of recruiting but I know that in the long run recruiting pays off even more. Like Colleen says paychecks are better and I do think that as a goal, it is working smarter. With that said... I do feel for those who work their butt off doing shows and have consistent high sales. I admire those who earn trips primarily on sales, my hat off to you. I work full time so I can't dedicate as much time to shows as I would like (hopefully I can quit soon and do that.)

I have read the whole thread and see good points on both sides. KG as always shares his gems of wisdom sprinkled with humor. I think we are all adults and can handle digesting both sides and not agree with everything but use what we can to better our own businesses. If you did not share your frustrations and they were not discussed here how would I know those exist and prepare for those view points when expressed by my own team? As a matter of fact I can bring them up and discuss them so they can express themselves. Sometimes knowing others struggle with things helps us know we are not alone. The great thing about CS is that we find answers and people are willing to share what works.

 

[Shawnna]

Lisa...you are a very incouraging woman. Thank you for sharing your wisdom in such a way.

Addie4tlc...congrats on your recruiting skills...wow. It is true that it helps to know what others are feeling. If we don't know, we can't help each other. That is what is so great about having girlfriends to share with...online or in person.

 

[ChefLisa]

Lisa...you are a very incouraging woman. Thank you for sharing your wisdom in such a way.

Addie4tlc...congrats on your recruiting skills...wow. It is true that it helps to know what others are feeling. If we don't know, we can't help each other. That is what is so great about having girlfriends to share with...online or in person.

Thank you!:blushing:

 

[chefmeg]

This is a great thread! I have enjoyed seeing both sides of the coin. No one one my team has even mentioned the recruiting necessary for the incentives, so if they do, I have plenty of ammo from this thread!
I think the way you look at this subject is that you need to define for yourself what an "incentive" is. Once you get that thought in your head, if it is something you want to achieve, you will put your best effort forth to do just that. I mean, really, one recruit in a year to earn Level 1 is not unattainable for any of us. I hate to think about how many shows I would have to do to earn the Level 3 trip (my goal) with just sales! I do understand the concern that "why should I have to recruit?" and I love KG's answer to that...you really should send your idea to HO!

Leggy-you sure didn't show that side of yourself at Leadership!!!!