Is Jewels by Park Lane Encouraging PC Directors to Leave?

[BethCooks4U]

I have had a few parties here and there for other companies, including jewelry, skin care, and toys and with all of them I was shocked at how much I had to pay for my "FREE" product. PC really does the best job with host rewards and honestly I think we don't advertise it enough.

I just had a host who gave all the benefits to her daughter (co-host - $465 free) and she told me "I don't think my daughter is prepared for the shock of what all that free stuff will cost her in tax and shipping so just tell her that I'll pay it for her." When I told her that there is no tax on free from PC and reminded her that the host doesn't pay ANY shipping she was floored. She was also going to get her items as a guest until I told her what her total would be wth the 30% discount vs her daughter getting another $25 free. She just loves me.
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[Nanisu]

Ok,not meaning to open a can of worms...why is is unethical? If i was disappointed in something at a store I frequently shopped at and found what I thought was a heck of a deal somewhere else, why is it unethical to share it with others? I am not a huge fan of DF, BUT......

I kind of look at it a little bit like people that have an affair--the affair is not the problem its a symptom of the problem....if they were happy from the beginning it wouldn't have been attractive. I think those people were in business to make money and saw their paychecks drastically reduced, as did most of us....no hate mail but if they left because they were unhappy and thought a deal was better somewhere else, and wanted to bring others along with them, what's unethical about that?

I have seen both sides of the fence. I would not have done what they did, but I think they did what they thought was good for them, and we all agreed the new plan was flawed from the beginning. No hate mail, please.

 

[Sheila]

No hate mail from me. Everyone has the right to their opinions. I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with sharing the business opportunity and our enthusiasm and love for our careers with others. Heck there's quite a few members of my team who are super happy that they joined PC and are actively passing down their excitement and building teams. Sharing is what it's all about. Sharing with friends, family & people we encounter are one thing. But we are not doing an organized attack of PartyLite, Scentsy, Tuperware, etc. trying to get all their successful people to jump ship & come to us. I just think when it's an organized "hey, let's go after the upper level people with _____ company" that the line between "sharing" and trying to bring down another company gets crossed. From what I understand, their plan is more of an organized attack. If they are in fact targeting the top PC people simply based on their history of success & not their love of the other product, then I have to agree that it's unethical.

 

[pamperedbecky]

What I have the biggest issue with is the former Pampered Chef Directors and upper level Directors going there and actively recruiting their former teams and other consultants. They not only should have know this was unethical because it was going against an agreement they signed, BUT there was a similar issue with a former male consultant years ago who did the same thing when he went to an entirely different direct sales company and was terminated because of actively recruiting PC consultants at conference (if I'm not mistaken). They would have been aware of this I'm sure. I just don't think these successful directors could plead ignorance and that's what irks me. That's what is unethical.As for PL actively recruiting our successful consultants, it would be fine if it was on their own, but these examples seem to be because they got the various names from former PC Directors. And I think the warning in Jean's email today seemed to reference the "structure" of any companies people may explore. We take the time and effort to grow our teams and she seemed to reference how at this company, people can just come in at a higher level and have ready-made teams without necessarily doing the work to get there. It does speak to the overall integrity of a company.I don't know - everyone is entitled to go where they want for the reasons they want. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth in this particular instance.

 

[BethCooks4U]

What I have the biggest issue with is the former Pampered Chef Directors and upper level Directors going there and actively recruiting their former teams and other consultants. They not only should have know this was unethical because it was going against an agreement they signed, BUT there was a similar issue with a former male consultant years ago who did the same thing when he went to an entirely different direct sales company and was terminated because of actively recruiting PC consultants at conference (if I'm not mistaken). They would have been aware of this I'm sure. I just don't think these successful directors could plead ignorance and that's what irks me. That's what is unethical.

As for PL actively recruiting our successful consultants, it would be fine if it was on their own, but these examples seem to be because they got the various names from former PC Directors. And I think the warning in Jean's email today seemed to reference the "structure" of any companies people may explore. We take the time and effort to grow our teams and she seemed to reference how at this company, people can just come in at a higher level and have ready-made teams without necessarily doing the work to get there. It does speak to the overall integrity of a company.

I don't know - everyone is entitled to go where they want for the reasons they want. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth in this particular instance.

You hit the nail on the head. And you remembered exactly right about that other male consultant. He was openly recruiting on the elevator at conference at which he had gotten big recognition for his achievements with PC.

 

[baychef]

I was so disappointed in DF's behavior and his leaving PC.

And you remembered exactly right about that other male consultant. He was openly recruiting on the elevator at conference at which he had gotten big recognition for his achievements with PC.

This is what made me extremely disgusted and distrustful of DF. A leader we looked up to and an inspiration so blatenly defying a company. A company that honored him and had him on committies that made many decisions for all of us.

 

[finley1991]

I'm a little late joining this discussion but years ago when TOHE started, they tried to poach directors from PC (because a few execs left to go with them... and ironically they are now out of biz and merged with another company that was going out of biz). They did it through the lead pool. They knew that HO leads were funneled out to Directors so they just started plugging in zip codes and contacting directors that way.

 

[ChefBeckyD]

I'm a little late joining this discussion but years ago when TOHE started, they tried to poach directors from PC (because a few execs left to go with them... and ironically they are now out of biz and merged with another company that was going out of biz). They did it through the lead pool. They knew that HO leads were funneled out to Directors so they just started plugging in zip codes and contacting directors that way.

Interesting. I wonder if this contributed to their decision to include TL In the lead system?

 

[jwpamp]

It's unfortunate, true -- but we all know that there are people in this company that don't follow the rules -- and the company doesn't seem to worry (a sale is a sale). You know what I am talking about....

I do what I am supposed to because I should -- wish that it was a level playing field and everyone was held to the same standards.

And so this is what you get. You reap what you sow.

Not trying to complain -- just sayin'.

 

[CoidgigBese]

You hit the nail on the head. And you remembered exactly right about that other male consultant. He was openly recruiting on the elevator at conference at which he had gotten big recognition for his achievements with PC.

And then he told people that PC fired him (what his customers said to me), like he hadn't done anything wrong and it was all PC's fault that he was promoting his sheets and towels biz. I also heard he got audited and something about a storage unit full of products and another rumor about selling it on eBay, but that is all rumor.

 

[akaskydebil]

This is what made me extremely disgusted and distrustful of DF. A leader we looked up to and an inspiration so blatenly defying a company. A company that honored him and had him on committies that made many decisions for all of us.

I have one word, and its only my opinion, of how to describe his decision to leave:

Greed.

 

[Sheila]

I'd never heard of him until I joined CS & DCS. Heck, I didn't even know who Marla & Jean were my first year in business, or any of the NED's, any of the top sellers, top recruiters, etc. I knew my recruiter & her cluster, but that was it. Didn't even know Angie's recruiter and found out recently there was someone between Angie & Yolanda when I signed. So it wasn't until I moved up to Yolanda that I really got to know her & the names of the ones above her. LOL I was kind of in my own little world out in Japan. Joining Chef Success helped me to learn more names, then NC this last year helped me to put some faces to some of the names I'd been hearing about. But DF was before my time, that's for sure!

 

[Karen Weber]

Don't you find it interesting that many of the upper level managers that have left pc, never achieve the success that they had with pc and many of the companies that they have left for are out of business. Market Day HOme Party was one that bit the dust when they tried to go with a home party plan. Years ago a home office person left to join a company that was going to be pc's rival but it never got off the ground. The "tote bag" company, I give them 5 years and they will probably bite the dust. Cute bags but really how many can you have espicially with so many local craft people who sell the same type for a lot less at craft fairs. I live in the town where Vera Bradley has their corporate offices. Really.... I have several of theirs and don't want anymore. My friends and I call their bags the "cult" bag. You see them everywhere! Pampered Chef has the most marketable product out there. Everyone has to eat/cook, male or female, young or old, love to cook/hate to cook. Fits everyone's budget. awesome guarantee. fabulous host program. no out of pocket expense for us on host gifts or credit card charge. "edutaining" party. $15.00 award for groceries to feed your guests. the list could go on and on. So, why are these "fools" leaving? When you are with the best, why would you go work for someone else especially a company that is lacking in integrity???? Are things perfect in pc? (no) Would I change a few things if I could? (yes) There are no perfect companies but pc is pretty darn close when it comes to the direct sales business.

I read the whole lawsuit document. Very interesting reading. I'm sure pc did not like some of the disclosures they had to make. It was also interesting to see Joyce Salela name mentioned. Twenty years ago she gave a talk at a regional meeting in the Chicago area that I went to, because of her talk, I was inspired to become a director. I know I haven't seen or heard from her in a while. I couldn't tell whether she became a Park lane employee or just someone who fed names to one of their recruiters. I think at one time DF was in her downline.

All in all a very interesting document.

By the way, who is TOHE?

Karen

Okay, I got to ask what is TOHE?

 

[akaskydebil]

So, why are these "fools" leaving? When you are with the best, why would you go work for someone else especially a company that is lacking in integrity?????

Because they allow fancy sales pitches with lots of empty promises to blind them. Their greed kicks in and they turn to where they think the grass is greener. These people were being brought in a high executive levels with cushy compensation 'promises' and perks that normally they would have had to work years for...Typical business - you promise the moon & stars to get your competitors talent. Then you hit them with reality after the honeymoon is over.

No different than those who have an affair. The new and shiny and the attention and promises all blind people and they make decisions based upon what they think will be and how different their lives will be. Then one day they wake up and realize that the grass wasn't greener and that what they had, wasn't so bad after all.

Yep again, one word. Greed. Add to it, "instant satisfaction".

 

[Sheila]

Karen, Taste of Home Entertaining?Melissa, you crack me up girl! LOL

 

[akaskydebil]

I guess this is going to stay a war between TPC and DF. Here's what he posted on FB yesterday:

"Park Lane Jewelry’s efforts to build its sales field have drawn attention from other companies that, in my view, have deservedly lost some of their top performers.

Sales professionals, ask yourself: Do you want to be rewarded for performance, or just keep struggling against some complicated system of ever-changing rules, unilateral pay cuts and mind-numbing bureaucracy? (I’m not naming any particular companies here).

Consider the following:

1) Park Lane Jewelry, established in 1955, is still family-owned and operated. It hasn’t lost its soul to what some might call a profits-above-people corporate mentality. The brand stands for unparalleled quality: Park Lane guarantees EVERY item it sells.

2) Park Lane Jewelry invests nearly 71 percent of its gross intake back into its field in commissions, overrides and incentives. These incentives include fantastic trips offered to every level of the sales field, twice each year.

3) Experienced sales pros aren’t forced to start over at square-one when joining Park Lane. You’ll be recognized – not penalized – for the hard work you’ve already put into building your career. You’ll receive strong home office support and personalized training that will boost your success.

Any company can indeed make promises. I’ve chosen to work for one that actually delivers on its promises while putting its customers and sales field first.

I hope you’ll join me."

(one of the comments back to him) -
Well said Don. It's sad to me that people get so emotionally attached to a a company that was that they don't recognize that they are being used by that company. AND they believe the propaganda the company puts out without checking facts. It's so true what we say at Park Lane, "If it's too good to be true, it must be Park Lane!" So glad we're here! <---she's a Sales VP for PL per her FB page
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Post on Friday:
I am looking to add an experienced party-plan manager to my organization - specifically in the PA/MD/DC/VA area but truly, anywhere in the country. This person should be someone who has built a team and knows the party plan business. Park Lane will interview them and place them at a management level equal to where they were in their previous business - no need to start all over again. If you know someone who fits that category, please private message me. As a referral bonus, you will receive $100 in free jewelry of your choice!!

 

[pamperedlinda]

Park Lane has been around since 1955? I've never heard of them before this stirred up.

 

[pamperedbecky]

Not that this has any bearing on the company Park Lane itself, it's just an interesting little tidbit about the founders' son: (I remember when this was in the news)

http://articles.chicagobreakingnews.com/2011-06-03/news/29618743_1_home-confinement-jewels-by-park-lane-craig-elford

 

[pamperedbecky]

I was curious about the 1955 start date.

Check this out: http://mlmfiles.com/jewels-park-lane-review/

It gives a few details about how the company started in 1955. When the founders married that same year -They were 18 and 15 when they got married! I don't know, maybe it's just me and there aren't enough details, but that hardly seems to be the start of a company. Although it does say they started having home parties. Interesting.

 

[finley1991]

Interesting post by DF. Clearly he feels the need to justify his career move. I agree with Karen... everyone eats, young and old. Plus, there aren't really any other companies out there that sell what we do. Others try (Tupperware, Willow House, Avon) but if people are going to by kitchen stuff, they come to PC. There are dozens of jewelry companies.

 

[Sheila]

The only jewelry I wear on a daily basis is my engagement & wedding ring. My necklace broke recently ~ I've been wearing the same necklace & heart drop since 1997 when I received it as a gift from my (now) husband. I have a ruby & diamond bracelet, a nice watch and a nice pair of stud earrings with a couple of different jacket options to wear behind them. That's it. Hubby's bought me a few other things on his military treks across the world, but I never wear it. It's all packed away from various military moves. I'm just not much of a jewelry person, but when I do wear it I wear the real stuff not the fake stuff. I don't think I'd ever make it as a jewelry rep! :veryfunny:

 

[Sheila]

Of course if someone gave me a jewelry store filled with the real stuff I'd be all over that! LOL

 

[Karen Weber]

His post sounds kind of desparate and pathetic to me. Doesn't he have any confidence in himself that he can promote leaders within his own sales team? I wonder how many of his own customers he is turning off? Oh well, maybe he'll get over his anger at pc and move on eventually.

Karen

 

[baychef]

His post sounds kind of desparate and pathetic to me. Doesn't he have any confidence in himself that he can promote leaders within his own sales team? I wonder how many of his own customers he is turning off? Oh well, maybe he'll get over his anger at pc and move on eventually.

Karen

I agree, Karen. When he was at PC he did a great job and inspiration was what most people felt when he spoke. This does sound like a desperate attempt to justify his move.

My love is PC and what use it does for me in everyday life. Jewelry is nice, but the more expensive it is, the less I wear it because I am afraid I will lose it or ruin it somehow.

He likes to be the center of attention and likes drama so I bet he will keep going with his little fits.

 

[Sheila]

Was he ever a member of DCS? My guess is he's either here reading these messages or someone told him about the e-mail that Jean sent out.

 

[akaskydebil]

He has close friends still in PC as well as very well could be lurking around on any of these sites. My educated 'guess' is his friends forward the emails from Jean to him.

Wish to make it known, I am not a friend of his on FB nor in the real world. (His wall is open to anyone to read...makes ya think thats on purpose) I did have the opportunity to meet and speak with him at Conference 2009 as our team went to his trainings as well as he hosted a party in his hotel Suite. I found him to be very smug and full of himself but from different things I have heard, he's actually a good guy at heart. I just feel greed drives him. (if ya haven't already gotten that from my other posts. LOL)

 

[pamperedbecky]

(one of the comments back to him) -
Well said Don. It's sad to me that people get so emotionally attached to a a company that was that they don't recognize that they are being used by that company. AND they believe the propaganda the company puts out without checking facts. It's so true what we say at Park Lane, "If it's too good to be true, it must be Park Lane!" So glad we're here! <---she's a Sales VP for PL per her FB page
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And that person is someone who left PC a long time ago to go to TOHE. Obviously THAT didn't work out if she's now at PL.

 

[akaskydebil]

Another case in point - the grass isn't always greener.

 

[BethCooks4U]

And that person is someone who left PC a long time ago to go to TOHE. Obviously THAT didn't work out if she's now at PL.

Could that be SL?

I believe DCS started after DF left the company but I could be wrong. I know he never posted on the CS sites.

 

[akaskydebil]

Diane Stroud Hastings is who posted on his page and is also a Sales VP like he is.