Hi-Ho, Hi-Ho...it's off to Court I Go....

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Discussion Overview

This thread centers around a participant, Kacey, who shares her experiences and concerns regarding a court hearing related to her niece's alleged abuse. Many participants express their support through prayers and personal reflections on the situation.

Discussion Character

  • Anecdotal
  • Opinion-based
  • Supportive

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, identifying as a consultant, shares her emotional struggles and requests prayers for her family during the court hearing.
  • Another participant expresses amazement at the community's ability to intercede for others, sharing similar prayer intentions.
  • Several users mention their ongoing prayers and emotional support for Kacey and her family throughout the day.
  • One participant humorously relates the court situation to the seven dwarfs, wishing for positive outcomes for each involved party.
  • Another participant reflects on the frustrations of the legal system and expresses anger over perceived injustices faced by Kacey's family.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about feeling physically unwell but still thinking of Kacey and her family.
  • Several participants express disappointment and frustration after Kacey shares the outcome of the hearing, highlighting the challenges faced by her family.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Views differ significantly regarding the court's decision and the effectiveness of the legal process. While many participants express support and solidarity with Kacey, there is no clear consensus on the outcome of the hearing or the actions of the legal system.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects a community coming together to support a member facing a personal crisis, with many sharing their emotional responses and personal experiences related to the situation.

Who May Find This Useful

Participants within the consultant community who are interested in personal stories of support and resilience in the face of difficult family situations may find this thread relevant.

Kitchen Diva said:
well, no- but it did make me smile and giggle, so thanks! :)

Glad I could make you laugh!
 
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Yeah, like I said, I'm disapointed, but I'm not upset by this- I don't think it's fair, but I've seen enough Law and Order episodes where the good guys were not allowed to admit ANY evidence and they always won- and because I live my life vicariously through the TV- I know it will all work out.

I am sad that the other lawyer tried to say that the changes in my niece came into play after she moved here and that my husband was the one that more than likely abused her. Because I was a witness I was only allowed in the courtroom during my testimony.

We are just surprised that in chambers the judge said he'd allow it all- and in the end, he allowed nothing! NADA! I was able to show them that my niece mimicked having her hands and mouth bound up, and I was able to mimick her touching herself- but I wasn't allowed to say what she said when she was doing any of it... Every word that came out of my mouth the other side objected to, and the judge sustained it. I ALMOST asked; "Can I object to his objections?" And my mother almost said "I'm here and I said it, so that makes it here-say" LOL
 
Kacey, I am so sorry. It really p*sses me off to see and hear about things like this. :mad: The legal system most of the time is a huge big joke! I don't believe in it anymore. (I am stating my opinion only, you can choose to agree or disagree with me. My DS (8 yrs) has been let down numerous times by them!)

However, your brother-in-law and other's will get theirs. Mark my words, what goes around comes around.

I will pray for you and your family that you have the strength to continue to support your niece through this ordeal.

BIG {{{{HUGS!!!!}}}}
 
I'm so sorry Kasey. I will keep praying.
 
Ahh---Kasey---what is wrong with these judges. If it were their child, you'd damn right bet they would have that *ss in jail.

Prayers keep coming your way!
 
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vwpamperedchef said:
Ahh---Kasey---what is wrong with these judges. If it were their child, you'd damn right bet they would have that *ss in jail.

Prayers keep coming your way!

Yeah, I know- it is disheartening. That's why my mood indicator says I'm amazed! I'm amazed that the judge said he'd allow what my niece told all of us to be admitted into evidence and then changed his mind 3 minutes into the hearing...

But it is over and there is nothing we can do. The good news is my niece is up here, her dad is in SD, he doesn't have a car, and he wouldn't dare try and take her away- he's too cowardly...he's being used by his mother and lawyer and more than likely doesn't even want custody- but has to ask for everything in a divorce petition even if it isn't something he wants because if he changes his mind and didn't ask for it initially, he won't get it.

I'm tired- my head hurts and I need some food. It's days like this that I wish I had a personal chef to make me a nice comfort meal! :) LOL

And, it's getting cool out! It's down to 70 outside...

The good news is I get my niece this Saturday and Sunday, so I'll get my munchkin fix over the long weekend! :)
 
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KellyTheChef said:
What a bunch of crap!

I know that laws are put in place to PROTECT us but it ticks me off to no end when they end up messing over those they are supposed to be protecting.
God will still be victorious in this, Kacey! We will still continue to pray that God interceeds here and changes things in a MIGHTY WAY to protect your little precious niece!

I felt the same way. It was tough to watch my dad and hubby sit there and just watch our liberties be taken away and there was nothing we could do about it.
 
KaceyI might have missed something in an earlier post, but why didn't the judge talk to your niece privately in chambers, with just the 2 lawyers present?? Is it all over? Nothing more to be done / no way to reverse the ruling?
 
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peichef said:
Kacey

I might have missed something in an earlier post, but why didn't the judge talk to your niece privately in chambers, with just the 2 lawyers present?? Is it all over? Nothing more to be done / no way to reverse the ruling?

because my niece is 4 years old and they are not a reliable witness. Also she wouldn't talk to the advocate at Children's Hospital (although they gave up after 10 minutes of the standard 3 hour interview- yes we appealed that decision and lost) and she won't talk to her therapist. She has only mentioned to him that Daddy plays jail with her, but hasn't said anything else.

The only people she's told things to are me and my sister- she mentioned tiny things to my folks, but most of the things she did were acting out what her dad did to her on them... or trying to act them out on my parents. But she TOLD me everything!

And yes, it's over- they don't feel my niece is in danger of being with her father, so no protection order will ever be granted and now we proceed with finding her a new lawyer in SD and dealing with the divorce and custody battle...
 
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peichef said:
Kacey

I might have missed something in an earlier post, but why didn't the judge talk to your niece privately in chambers, with just the 2 lawyers present?? Is it all over? Nothing more to be done / no way to reverse the ruling?

Also, Charity- she was not allowed to be there in the court room- heck her own dad didn't show up... just sent the lawyer.
 
Kacey, I am so sorry that it did not go well. You have been an amazing sister and aunt to them and I just hope your sister gets a good lawyer for the divorce. Try and rest tonight and I enjoy your time with your beautiful niece.
 
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Chef Michelle D said:
Kacey, I am so sorry that it did not go well. You have been an amazing sister and aunt to them and I just hope your sister gets a good lawyer for the divorce. Try and rest tonight and I enjoy your time with your beautiful niece.

Yeah, I'm sorry too- I do hope she gets a great divorce attorney and that someone else can foot the bill! :) My sister can only afford free attorney's at this point. It's her husband that can afford to have attorney's in two states...
 
Oh my goodmness, this is awful and makes me sick... your poor niece, this is very upsetting news. I need to re-group.
 
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merego said:
Oh my goodmness, this is awful and makes me sick... your poor niece, this is very upsetting news. I need to re-group.

Hey, I missed you! How are you doing? Other than needing to re-group, and I hear ya on that one!!!
 
Unbelievable!

I would call a crisis center for abused children, explain the situation and ask if they have a reccomendation for a good lawyer who would take the case pro-bono!
 
kacey my heart is hurting for you and esp your niece. i have nothing more to say...too shocked and sickened.

this is one battle in a war that you will eventually win.
 
A sad day today, but hopefully things will get better and hopefully something will happen with your niece to open her up to the right people or that her dad will slip and say something wrong and get caught. Abuse disgusts me...in all forms...
 
I don't know why things are going the way they are. I do know that you are doing what you need to do. My prayers will continue for your sister and niece.
 
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Di_Can_Cook said:
Unbelievable!

I would call a crisis center for abused children, explain the situation and ask if they have a reccomendation for a good lawyer who would take the case pro-bono!

Been there, done that- no one will take the case...
 
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janetupnorth said:
A sad day today, but hopefully things will get better and hopefully something will happen with your niece to open her up to the right people or that her dad will slip and say something wrong and get caught.

Abuse disgusts me...in all forms...

I am praying the same things. The other day she drew a picture of a spider with a "pee-pee" and she would NOT show it to my sister, but she brought it to my mom and told her it was a picture of a daddy spider that hurts people with his tushy. The did allow that picture to be evidence but not what my mother wrote on the picture that described what Lily said it was.

raebates said:
I don't know why things are going the way they are. I do know that you are doing what you need to do. My prayers will continue for your sister and niece.

We have no idea, either. My niece's therapist had been telling us for weeks that she was abused- no doubt...then when he was told he'd have to testify (which the first day we met with him we explained that he would have to some day) he backed down and started saying "if" she was even abused.

I agree that this is just one battle that we had to take one for the team so to speak but the war will be won!
 
Kitchen Diva said:
because my niece is 4 years old and they are not a reliable witness. Also she wouldn't talk to the advocate at Children's Hospital (although they gave up after 10 minutes of the standard 3 hour interview- yes we appealed that decision and lost) and she won't talk to her therapist. She has only mentioned to him that Daddy plays jail with her, but hasn't said anything else.

...

Okay, my heart is breaking here and I'm am so sad for all of you! My DD will be 4 in a few weeks and I know that she wouldn't speak to a stranger very easily! How the hell (I could say worse!!) could they expect to get any kind of assesment in 10 FREAKIN' MINUTES!!!!! I can't imagine my DD going through any of this and it breaks my heart to see that your niece is having to experience this. It's not right! :cry:

I will keep praying for you and your family. As someone said earlier "what goes around comes around"....that, I truly believe!!

And, if I lived closer, I would love to be your personal chef for a day! :)

((((HUGS))))
 
Aw Kacey, sorry for the rotten day. Surely it'll work out better in the end. Poor sweet little girl.
 
Kacey Sorry that this didn't go so well. I hope it gets better for your niece.
 
Kacy, this situation will still be in my prayers for it to be worked out for your niece's safety.
 
wow. all that's I have to say. So sad. Hopefully, she'll get the help she needs & will somehow be kept safe from her father.
 
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PChefPEI said:
Okay, my heart is breaking here and I'm am so sad for all of you! My DD will be 4 in a few weeks and I know that she wouldn't speak to a stranger very easily! How the hell (I could say worse!!) could they expect to get any kind of assesment in 10 FREAKIN' MINUTES!!!!! I can't imagine my DD going through any of this and it breaks my heart to see that your niece is having to experience this. It's not right! :cry:

I will keep praying for you and your family. As someone said earlier "what goes around comes around"....that, I truly believe!!

And, if I lived closer, I would love to be your personal chef for a day! :)

((((HUGS))))

Canada isn't far from MN! :)
 
Kitchen Diva said:
Canada isn't far from MN! :)

:D Gimme the directions, I'll see what I can do! ;)
 
Kitchen Diva said:
Canada isn't far from MN! :)

Uh, I think she's a bit closer to Maine!!!!

If she's traveling to be personal chef, she has to stop by my house first! ;)
 
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janetupnorth said:
Uh, I think she's a bit closer to Maine!!!!

If she's traveling to be personal chef, she has to stop by my house first! ;)

Nuh uhhh.... I get her all to myself!
;)
 
Kacey ~ sorry I didn't get to post earlier...I know you'll understand.

I'm going to say the same thing you said to me...BELIEVE! The time may not be now...but his time WILL come! I've been praying for all of you and will continue to do so...
 

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