Facing Frustration in Business: 16 Years of Uphill Struggles

[letmepamperu13]

Re: Rant!!Laurie- you are so right girlfriend! We are all responsible for our own biz. As a great friend in the company has said "We are all the CEO and President of our business". It is our responsibility. Thanks for throwing it out there Laurie.
And from an AD- I LOVE where I am at. Every month I am not sure if I will be paid as an AD but i know over time the stability will come. I love working with my team and --here's the key---those who WANT to work. I love helping people work toward their goals and I love helping people build their belief in themselves.
I personally do my best to make sure my personal sales are where they need to be to cover pretty much all of my basic living expenses (this is my hubby and I's sole source of income) and the rest is a bonus and provides for extra things in life.
I am a HUGE believer in personal responsiblity (thank-you Jack Canfield for introducing it to me!!! read his book The Success Principles) and I literally take full responsibility for whatever happens in my business- personal or organizational. I don't blame PC, the new career plan, the economy, etc. for the results in my business- good or bad.
I look at myself and what I have done. I am the only one who is responsible for the good, the great and the ugly in my biz.
This is sooo not directed at anyone personally, it's simply my way of belief and I wanted to pass it along since I have found it to be very, very freeing. It has allowed me to grow in ways that I had never thought possible. It allows me to view things differently and be way more creative. It also holds me accountable and allows me to respect others in a whole new wonderful way.
Again, I would highly suggest Jack Canfields book The Success Principles and if nothing else, read the chapter on Personal Responsibility. You might be shocked at how it can transform not just your business but your life....

 

[mountainmama74]

Re: Rant!!

Laurie- you are so right girlfriend! We are all responsible for our own biz. As a great friend in the company has said "We are all the CEO and President of our business". It is our responsibility. Thanks for throwing it out there Laurie.
And from an AD- I LOVE where I am at. Every month I am not sure if I will be paid as an AD but i know over time the stability will come. I love working with my team and --here's the key---those who WANT to work. I love helping people work toward their goals and I love helping people build their belief in themselves.
I personally do my best to make sure my personal sales are where they need to be to cover pretty much all of my basic living expenses (this is my hubby and I's sole source of income) and the rest is a bonus and provides for extra things in life.
I am a HUGE believer in personal responsiblity (thank-you Jack Canfield for introducing it to me!!! read his book The Success Principles) and I literally take full responsibility for whatever happens in my business- personal or organizational. I don't blame PC, the new career plan, the economy, etc. for the results in my business- good or bad.
I look at myself and what I have done. I am the only one who is responsible for the good, the great and the ugly in my biz.
This is sooo not directed at anyone personally, it's simply my way of belief and I wanted to pass it along since I have found it to be very, very freeing. It has allowed me to grow in ways that I had never thought possible. It allows me to view things differently and be way more creative. It also holds me accountable and allows me to respect others in a whole new wonderful way.
Again, I would highly suggest Jack Canfields book The Success Principles and if nothing else, read the chapter on Personal Responsibility. You might be shocked at how it can transform not just your business but your life....

I love everything you've said here. Thank you for posting! :thumbup:

 

[Drew]

Re: Rant!!

If your consultants are going to be consistent in their sales, you need to explain what's in it for THEM and not what's in it for YOU. They are not motivated to help YOU they are motivated to help THEMSELVES. Help them set goals. Tell them what they can do to move their business forward.

As I said, I have been in this business 16 years. I have done over 1300 shows and have recruited over 100 consultants. I have been a director for a major part of those years. I have supported and rewarded my downline in order to motivate them. I do the Open House show giving the new consultant not only the sales but the bookings. It is ridicules to assume that I have only been telling them what I want for myself and not helping them to further their businesses. I helped one consultant promote to director! That's what started this mess!!

 

[ChefBeckyD]

Re: Rant!!

Laurie- you are so right girlfriend! We are all responsible for our own biz. As a great friend in the company has said "We are all the CEO and President of our business". It is our responsibility. Thanks for throwing it out there Laurie.
And from an AD- I LOVE where I am at. Every month I am not sure if I will be paid as an AD but i know over time the stability will come. I love working with my team and --here's the key---those who WANT to work. I love helping people work toward their goals and I love helping people build their belief in themselves.
I personally do my best to make sure my personal sales are where they need to be to cover pretty much all of my basic living expenses (this is my hubby and I's sole source of income) and the rest is a bonus and provides for extra things in life.
I am a HUGE believer in personal responsiblity (thank-you Jack Canfield for introducing it to me!!! read his book The Success Principles) and I literally take full responsibility for whatever happens in my business- personal or organizational. I don't blame PC, the new career plan, the economy, etc. for the results in my business- good or bad.
I look at myself and what I have done. I am the only one who is responsible for the good, the great and the ugly in my biz.
This is sooo not directed at anyone personally, it's simply my way of belief and I wanted to pass it along since I have found it to be very, very freeing. It has allowed me to grow in ways that I had never thought possible. It allows me to view things differently and be way more creative. It also holds me accountable and allows me to respect others in a whole new wonderful way.
Again, I would highly suggest Jack Canfields book The Success Principles and if nothing else, read the chapter on Personal Responsibility. You might be shocked at how it can transform not just your business but your life....

Excellent post!:thumbup:

 

[Drew]

Re: Rant!!And btw, I cannot do $12000 in sales, help my consultants turn in enough shows to keep all those necessary lines going and help the director keep her title so that I can keep mine. It would seem like if she was paid as a sc then she would count in my line with sales and as a sc. But it doesn't work that way. As long as she has the title , no matter how she is paid, she doesn't count in my line.
As far as promotion goes, you don't have a choice in that either. If someone in your line promotes to director, you are an advanced director....at least for a time. Then you are on your own. Start over or drop it, that is your choice.

 

[Becca_in_MD]

Re: Rant!!Don't you still have to sign the Director Agreement or is completely automatic these day? Or did that agreement go away with the new career plan? In the old days, you could decline directorship, for instance if you felt your team wasn't strong enough to maintain or you didn't want the responsibility.

 

[NooraK]

Re: Rant!!

Don't you still have to sign the Director Agreement or is completely automatic these day? Or did that agreement go away with the new career plan? In the old days, you could decline directorship, for instance if you felt your team wasn't strong enough to maintain or you didn't want the responsibility.

I believe you still do sign the agreement, but once you sign to be D, can you decline to be AD?

 

[beckyjsmith]

Re: Rant!!Ok I am confused.
So you promoted to AD and then your director didn't meet her requirements.
Do you have two sc lines that allowed you to at least be paid as a director? Or did you drop to TL?
I am still not seeing where she bypassed you unless you dropped to TL, and then she met D requirements and you did not meet AD sales requirements?
Break it down step by step because I am a little slow on the uptake.
Thanks!

 

[BethCooks4U]

Re: Rant!!

Thanks for answering Beth. More specifically:

if I do hit D requirements...then I keep the line, right?

Right. As long as you keep the title of D you can not be bypassed. It's when you lose that title that trouble comes.

As an AD you just need 4 personal lines and the D line is not one of those. You don't need SC's at that level and above. I think that's where some people get in trouble. Their D promotes but then isn't strong enough to qualify as a D every month so the AD is paid as TL because she didn't have the 2 SC or above lines to be paid as D and then that happens 3 months in a row and the AD loses D too. Or the $12K isn't reached to keep the AD title and the 2 SC lines aren't in place so even though the D kept her title the AD didn't meet the requirements of either AD or D. ...and then the bypass rule takes effect.

They said they made this simpler...

 

[ChefBeckyD]

Re: Rant!!

Right. As long as you keep the title of D you can not be bypassed. It's when you lose that title that trouble comes.

As an AD you just need 4 lines and one can be the D line. You don't need SC's at that level and above. I think that's where some people get in trouble. Their D promotes but then isn't strong enough to qualify as a D every month so the AD is paid as TL because she didn't have the 2 SC or above lines to be paid as D and then that happens 3 months in a row and the AD loses D too. Or the $12K isn't reached to keep the AD title and the 2 SC lines aren't in place so even though the D kept her title the AD didn't meet the requirements of either AD or D. ...and then the bypass rule takes effect.

They said they made this simpler...

Actually, the D line cannot be one of your 4 personal lines as an AD.

 

[BethCooks4U]

Re: Rant!!

Actually, the D line cannot be one of your 4 personal lines as an AD.

Thanks for clearing that up. I misunderstood that part.

 

[lesliec]

Re: Rant!!Let me see if I understand this.....

Drew Promoted to AD when one of her consultants promoted to D. She had AD title for 3 months, but never fully met all of the AD requirements and dropped back down in title. Her recruit met requirements for 2 months and therefore held the title for 4 months. At that point, the recruit had "passed her up" and she lost her forever.
Am I understanding this correctly? I am glad that you are pointing this out. I really want to be a director, but something that my Executive keeps telling me is that I need to get my personal sales up b/c in the beginning, I will need to expect for most of the $4000 in sales to come from my own personal sales.

 

[Liquid Sky]

Re: Rant!!It's smart as a D to hit the $4,000 (or the bulk of it) from your personal sales. This way, all you need to "worry about" is having the team structure in place every month to hit D stats in full.

 

[crissy11]

Re: Rant!!that is right... so you must completely rely on other people to turn in their shows and work or it is all for nothing as you demote and lose..very aggravating when you have to depend on others for your paycheck... and I know....recruit...recruit...recruit.... but eventually someone has to sell..

 

[ChefBeckyD]

Re: Rant!!

It's smart as a D to hit the $4,000 (or the bulk of it) from your personal sales. This way, all you need to "worry about" is having the team structure in place every month to hit D stats in full.

This is what I try to do each month. Missed it in July, but most months I try to do the $4000 pretty much myself.

 

[Jolie_Paradoxe]

Re: Rant!!

Laurie- you are so right girlfriend! We are all responsible for our own biz. As a great friend in the company has said "We are all the CEO and President of our business". It is our responsibility. Thanks for throwing it out there Laurie.
And from an AD- I LOVE where I am at. Every month I am not sure if I will be paid as an AD but i know over time the stability will come. I love working with my team and --here's the key---those who WANT to work. I love helping people work toward their goals and I love helping people build their belief in themselves.
I personally do my best to make sure my personal sales are where they need to be to cover pretty much all of my basic living expenses (this is my hubby and I's sole source of income) and the rest is a bonus and provides for extra things in life.
I am a HUGE believer in personal responsiblity (thank-you Jack Canfield for introducing it to me!!! read his book The Success Principles) and I literally take full responsibility for whatever happens in my business- personal or organizational. I don't blame PC, the new career plan, the economy, etc. for the results in my business- good or bad.
I look at myself and what I have done. I am the only one who is responsible for the good, the great and the ugly in my biz.
This is sooo not directed at anyone personally, it's simply my way of belief and I wanted to pass it along since I have found it to be very, very freeing. It has allowed me to grow in ways that I had never thought possible. It allows me to view things differently and be way more creative. It also holds me accountable and allows me to respect others in a whole new wonderful way.
Again, I would highly suggest Jack Canfields book The Success Principles and if nothing else, read the chapter on Personal Responsibility. You might be shocked at how it can transform not just your business but your life....

Thanks...I worried about whether to comment or not but then did not want anyone new to be confused or discouraged. I'm glad you posted your experience because I believe that there are positives and negatives with all we do in all areas of life. It's good to seee a positive perspective as well to weigh in with this specific negative experience.

 

[Jolie_Paradoxe]

Re: Rant!!

Ok I am confused.
So you promoted to AD and then your director didn't meet her requirements.
Do you have two sc lines that allowed you to at least be paid as a director? Or did you drop to TL?
I am still not seeing where she bypassed you unless you dropped to TL, and then she met D requirements and you did not meet AD sales requirements?
Break it down step by step because I am a little slow on the uptake.
Thanks!

I was confused too which is why I had asked about the SC lines and D's losing lines and about being bypassed. I was having trouble figuring out how the D had an extra month.

 

[Jolie_Paradoxe]

Re: Rant!!

Right. As long as you keep the title of D you can not be bypassed. It's when you lose that title that trouble comes.

As an AD you just need 4 lines and one can be the D line. You don't need SC's at that level and above. I think that's where some people get in trouble. Their D promotes but then isn't strong enough to qualify as a D every month so the AD is paid as TL because she didn't have the 2 SC or above lines to be paid as D and then that happens 3 months in a row and the AD loses D too. Or the $12K isn't reached to keep the AD title and the 2 SC lines aren't in place so even though the D kept her title the AD didn't meet the requirements of either AD or D. ...and then the bypass rule takes effect.

They said they made this simpler...

Thanks Beth!

 

[Jolie_Paradoxe]

Re: Rant!!

that is right... so you must completely rely on other people to turn in their shows and work or it is all for nothing as you demote and lose..very aggravating when you have to depend on others for your paycheck... and I know....recruit...recruit...recruit.... but eventually someone has to sell..

Recruiting and growing is good and less stress for you in the long run, but yes the sales have to be there. Both your personal sales and those on the team. If you are selling and recruiting, then you'll meet your sales requirements and your structure requirements. As your team grows, then it's not as worrisome for you or your team if some choose not to work. Ideally, everyone should be at least hitting active status monthly....but realistically, it doesn't always happen. It depends on what's going on in their world, what their motivation is that month, what action they take.

3-2-1....so often stated, but just plain ol' true. Without the 3, there is no 2, which means there will be no 1.

 

[BethCooks4U]

Re: Rant!!

Originally Posted by BethCooks4U
Right. As long as you keep the title of D you can not be bypassed. It's when you lose that title that trouble comes.

As an AD you just need 4 lines and --> this is wrong -->one can be the D line <--. You don't need SC's at that level and above. I think that's where some people get in trouble. Their D promotes but then isn't strong enough to qualify as a D every month so the AD is paid as TL because she didn't have the 2 SC or above lines to be paid as D and then that happens 3 months in a row and the AD loses D too. Or the $12K isn't reached to keep the AD title and the 2 SC lines aren't in place so even though the D kept her title the AD didn't meet the requirements of either AD or D. ...and then the bypass rule takes effect.

They said they made this simpler...

Thanks Beth!

You caught that I made an error, right? The D line is not counted as one of the AD's required 4 lines. ...going back to change my original post so I don't confuse others.

 

[Jolie_Paradoxe]

Re: Rant!!

You caught that I made an error, right? The D line is not counted as one of the AD's required 4 lines. ...going back to change my original post so I don't confuse others.

I did...thanks for making sure. Good idea on editing to avoid confusion.

I was confused on losing a line if you met the D requirements rather than the structure.

 

[Liquid Sky]

Re: Rant!!

that is right... so you must completely rely on other people to turn in their shows and work or it is all for nothing as you demote and lose..very aggravating when you have to depend on others for your paycheck... and I know....recruit...recruit...recruit.... but eventually someone has to sell..

Yes, recruiting is the key BUT it does no good to recruit like mad only to have tons of those team members sit on their hands and do nothing. (this is what I am dealing w/ now).Something that I have recently implemented is now I will NOT sign anyone up until they have 4 COOKING shows booked. I'll fill out the agreement and give them 2 days to book 4 shows. Then, follow up after those 2 days and see where they stand. If they are not willing to get on the phone to book shows (before turning in the agreement) then it shows how much they won't work when they become a consultant. I was tired of signing up 2+ people a month only to have the majority of them just not do....anything...much then fizzle out really fast b/c they could not gather momentum.Yes, I KNOW there are those who have very slow starts and end up to be strong performers down the line BUT I want quality now and not quantity. I'd rather have 75% of my team turning in something every month than 25%.Plus, as I am training now, it's so much more effective and efficient knowing my time is well spent training someone who has shows on their calendar and they are in the field practicing what I train. This is something I just started 1 month ago and I am going to track my stats on this. I do feel it's going to completely change my team structure and help me be more secure in my D status.