Do I Need to Hold Monthly Meetings as a Team Leader in Lineage?

[finley1991]

NJR said they still will have to sign an agreement.

Thanks Deb! I am very happy to hear that! I think it's really important.

 

[pamela]

I am still mulling all of this over, but I do have to say that since I am no longer a Director, this change will certainly affect how soon I plan to repromote! I was looking to have 5 "qualified" consultants by Conference, but now, I am looking at way sooner than that as well as promoting to AD before the end of the year.
Now the whole 500 for D promotion and 5,000 points for AD promotion for the trip makes more sense!
Before the slide show came up yesterday, my AD called my D and was very excited about this Career Path change~she doesn't get excited about much, so I think Jean may have gotten to her with the attitude talk! I am going to be glad to see upper level D's really support their teams (and I know most of them do, but not mine!) with real, honest training, not just "look it up on the website or call HO".
Deep & wide is my new mantra....anyone remember the song from Vacation Bible School!!??

 

[baychef]

That's not a totally comparable situation Ann. You should really compare them as active because if we were on the new system at that time, I know that you would have known that they would be inactive and you would have been coaching them to submit something - right?

Again, I did this only to just get some idea as to how this would play out based on an actual month that happened. And yes, it is a comparable situation.

13 consultants met active requirements in November, therefore carried over as active in December under our current system.

Under the new system, although 8 consultants submitted sales in December, 2 were well under $150. Under the new system, only 6 of those 13 are considered active for December.

I will not go into whether they would be coached or not, because December brings about many reasons why people may not be submitting sales. I was simply comparing a month that was a real month for me to see how it would differ so I could understand the needs that require more attention.

Again, not putting down this program, but is does put a new spin that some consultants will not like. I believe that while we may lose a few, we will gain more in the long run that will begin their career knowing that the expectations are a little higher.

 

[baychef]

I am very excited about the new Career Path program. It is going to produce wide, deep and successful teams. We will earn more money, we just have to look at things a little differently.

I love the fact and person begins earning extra money with her/his first recruit!
I love the new Director requirements. I am convinced we will be promoting a lot more Directors.
I love the fact the word 'qualified' is leaving the Pampered Chef vocabulary. You are either and active Consultant or inactive Consultant. This will be much easier for new Consultants to understand.
I love we will receive a recruiting bonus when each new Consultant hits the $1250 in her/his first 30 days.

I too am so glad about all of the changes. Since I am starting a Step Up program on Tuesday evening the very first sheet is the Unlimited Earning Opportunity. I did not want to turn my class direction, however, into an explanation of the new Career Levels, but I did take each level and try to replicate something. Going over the higher levels, the work qualified is only used when determining your pay status in the higher levels.

Again, I want these participants to know that things are changing for the better, but do not want to get bogged down with it. I did put a huge disclaimer on the front about this not being an official PC document. I really hope they come out with something by Tuesday (my own selfish wish!) and I am not sure I am prepared to answer all questions on it.

The message of the evening will be recruit and help your recruits recruit!!! And stay active...great things will happen!

 

[chefkathy]

Ann, since the requirements don't change until April, I would just focus on what they need to do now (recruit people) and coach them to help their recruits recruit people too. Then by April 1st they will be directors.

 

[baychef]

Oh, I think she'll be excited once she understands it better. I don't think she realized what our team does as a group (even though I give totals every month).

And as I was going through this again, Beth, I did think of you and Danielle when they said that currently the requirements to be paid as a Director are $750 in personal sales and $4,000 for team sales and they will stay the same. Currently, if we do not meet the Director requirements, we get paid at the level we did earn and this will stay the same. I think this is made to be a larger point because until we all get strong, this may happen to us.

 

[BethCooks4U]

I too am so glad about all of the changes. Since I am starting a Step Up program on Tuesday evening the very first sheet is the Unlimited Earning Opportunity. I did not want to turn my class direction, however, into an explanation of the new Career Levels, but I did take each level and try to replicate something. Going over the higher levels, the work qualified is only used when determining your pay status in the higher levels.

Again, I want these participants to know that things are changing for the better, but do not want to get bogged down with it. I did put a huge disclaimer on the front about this not being an official PC document. I really hope they come out with something by Tuesday (my own selfish wish!) and I am not sure I am prepared to answer all questions on it.

The message of the evening will be recruit and help your recruits recruit!!! And stay active...great things will happen!

Ann, could you please post this or if you don't want to make it public info could you please email it to me? I would like to see what you have for this.

 

[baychef]

Ann, since the requirements don't change until April, I would just focus on what they need to do now (recruit people) and coach them to help their recruits recruit people too. Then by April 1st they will be directors.

And this is why I did this. I have 3 FD's who as of April 1 will be Team Leaders (at the very least).

About half of those that did zero for sales in December were on what would be a "1st generation" team. I am trying to coach their recruiter on how to keep them all going.

I think that we will need to have a real good understanding that we are all in this together. That's a whole nuther Oprah show!!

 

[jwpamp]

I said this on CS and I will repeat it here for all to hear....I am done being a Debbie Downer (no offense to any debbies )

I am sharing with my downline so that they can make more $$. I am working with the ones who want to work and helping them to make the incentive $$ while it is available.

Changes in structure may or may not affect me, but I will make sure that it affects them in a positive way.

As for me, I am busy booking and getting a strong schedule on board. Recruiting is always better with a strong show schedule!

The TPC year is coming to a fast close, and I don't want to be left out of that, too! So hi-ho, hi-ho, its off to work I go.....

 

[baychef]

Ann, could you please post this or if you don't want to make it public info could you please email it to me? I would like to see what you have for this.

Here it is...please, especially those who went to Leadership and have seen and heard more than I...comment on this and correct me because I would like it to be mostly correct until we get the real deal from PC.

I tried to listen and re-listen but they go at a more rapid pace during the upper level and not sure about it.

Also, wording corrections too please, if I have used an incorrect term. Thanks everyone!

Also, I have not explained the terms in a narrative on the bottom of the chart as the current PC sheet has.They explain the term Future Director, First Line, Second Line and Third Line on the current one.

 

[baychef]

I said this on CS and I will repeat it here for all to hear....I am done being a Debbie Downer (no offense to any debbies )

I am sharing with my downline so that they can make more $$. I am working with the ones who want to work and helping them to make the incentive $$ while it is available.

Changes in structure may or may not affect me, but I will make sure that it affects them in a positive way.

As for me, I am busy booking and getting a strong schedule on board. Recruiting is always better with a strong show schedule!

The TPC year is coming to a fast close, and I don't want to be left out of that, too! So hi-ho, hi-ho, its off to work I go.....

arty:arty:arty:WOO HOOarty:arty:arty:!!

 

[jwpamp]

Awesome, Ann....thank you for sharing the word doc.

 

[baychef]

Awesome, Ann....thank you for sharing the word doc.

You are very welcome, but I must caution that it may not be accurrate!

And Beth, although they did not come out and say what we were discussing about Senior Consultant maintance after promoting one Director...it certainly looks as if there better be more in the team that are recruiting at least one.

Although we work with people on our team, we haven't had as much success as I would have liked, but hoping between the pay raise and some new material from HO, we will start to progress there too!

 

[finley1991]

I just ran my 2008 numbers as if I were being paid according to the New Career Plan.

Basically, if I were being paid per the new plan for my 2008 sales and team sales, I would have earned 10% more overall. The only months I came up in the red were months that I was in relinquishment (not hitting the $4k as a team - 2 months out of 12) and I calculated that as if I were a Team Leader and one month was $3.68 less and the other was $9.95 less than I earned in the current plan. So no huge loss there.

One month, I basically doubled my income (or would have with the new plan!) due to the Activity Bonus and Recruiting Bonus. :money:

So running the numbers, I'm stoked about the new plan!!!!

 

[jwpamp]

I went thru my 2008 and I would have made $436 less on the new plan.

(I would have been a Team Leader all months instead of a Director).

I am guessing that I wouldn't have received the $1000 in free products from the Director perks, which would bring it to a total loss of $1436 for the year.

 

[jwpamp]

Oops, forgot the $225 in booth reimbursement and the $100 promotional expense I would have lost as well. Brings my total loss to (-$1771) with the new plan.

 

[Koolotus]

Ann!
A couple of quick corrections on the document you made up.

Consultant No recruit bonus whatsoever

Senior Consultant No production Bonus

Team Leader No Production Bonus but they get HO leads and can purchase quick start boxes
Also they need to have 2 active "lines" not necessarily recruits, which sounds weird but looks like this

Ann has 2 girls she recruited Tina and Cindy
Tina Recruited Peg
In January Sales were:
Ann - Team Leader $150
Tina -Senior Consultant $0
Peg-Consultant $150
Cindy-Consultant $150

Ann is a team leader bcause both cindy and tina's "lines" were active even though Tina did not submit sales.

Hope that makes sense

Under Director you need to have 4 "lines" with 2 senior Consultant "lines" that are active.
Let's use the same example
Ann - Director $4000 (just to be safe I am explaining "lines!)
Tina -Senior Consultant $150
Peg -Tina's Line $0
Cindy -Senior Consultant $150
Deb-Cindy's line $50
Jen-Consultant $150
Mark-Consultant $150

All the Director's "lines" are active

 

[jwpamp]

Wow, then I would have actually made another $800 less. That would make it a loss of (-$2571) in income on the new plan....stop it already! I was trying to be positive!

 

[pamperedlinda]

Ann!
A couple of quick corrections on the document you made up.

Consultant No recruit bonus whatsoever.....

Are you sure about this??? I think that everyone gets a recruiting bonus when that consultant qualifies. Maybe it's just semantics....b/c a Consultant would be a Sr. Consultant once that happens.

 

[baychef]

Ann!
A couple of quick corrections on the document you made up.

Consultant No recruit bonus whatsoever

Senior Consultant No production Bonus

Team Leader No Production Bonus but they get HO leads and can purchase quick start boxes
Also they need to have 2 active "lines" not necessarily recruits, which sounds weird but looks like this

Ann has 2 girls she recruited Tina and Cindy
Tina Recruited Peg
In January Sales were:
Ann - Team Leader $150
Tina -Senior Consultant $0
Peg-Consultant $150
Cindy-Consultant $150

Ann is a team leader bcause both cindy and tina's "lines" were active even though Tina did not submit sales.

Hope that makes sense

Under Director you need to have 4 "lines" with 2 senior Consultant "lines" that are active.
Let's use the same example
Ann - Director $4000 (just to be safe I am explaining "lines!)
Tina -Senior Consultant $150
Peg -Tina's Line $0
Cindy -Senior Consultant $150
Deb-Cindy's line $50
Jen-Consultant $150
Mark-Consultant $150

All the Director's "lines" are active

Thanks... I will run through this tomorrow...my head is spinning! We had our call with our up line and I must say that I am encouraged not by anything new I learned but by the fact my two direct recruits and one indirect recruit were on the line and they are excited out of their minds!!! They have me pumped!!! Thank you for looking at this with a fresh pair of eyes!!! This is why I can not wait for a printed copy from HO!!

Night everyone!

 

[Koolotus]

Are you sure about this??? I think that everyone gets a recruiting bonus when that consultant qualifies. Maybe it's just semantics....b/c a Consultant would be a Sr. Consultant once that happens.

For the recruiting promotion between now and 2/28 every level gets a bonus based on their level.

After 4/1 it will go based on your level and according to the little book it is only senior consultants.

I am with you, but because of the way she had it broken down...

It was REALLY nice to meet you!!

 

[pamperedlinda]

For the recruiting promotion between now and 2/28 every level gets a bonus based on their level.

After 4/1 it will go based on your level and according to the little book it is only senior consultants.

I am with you, but because of the way she had it broken down...

It was REALLY nice to meet you!!

I loved meeting you too and I can't believe that the only time I saw you was the MnG!

 

[OhmyDLM]

I loved meeting you too and I can't believe that the only time I saw you was the MnG!

I really wish I would have logged on BEFORE going to leadership to see about the M&G... that was foolish of me not to, I'm so sorry I missed out on meeting some of you! I did listen for names tho as people were crossing stage!

 

[pmw]

Janice (and anyone else who might be thinking they are in the same boat), I encourage you to remember when looking back at past sales that, of course you didn't have the right structure for Director pay over the past year because that wasn't the goal you were trying to reach necessarily. Of course we all want our teams recruiting but it didn't have the same emphasis that it does now. I would imagine that now we will all place a different empahsis on talking to our new team members about building their teams right from the start whereas before, I'm sure that a lot, if not most of us, would maybe wait awhile until they got the basics of doing a show, getting bookings, submitting orders, etc down first. It's amazing how the things that you focus on grow. I think this is PC's way of making sure that we focus on recruiting.

Also, someone was saying that our position would be ever changing because we get paid according to performance. That really isn't any different than it is right now. If you are in relinquishment, you don't get director pay, you get future director pay but you are still a director. That is the same in the new program. You maintain your title for 3 months as a director (longer for higher levels) despite what level you are being paid at so just because your recruit's recruit didn't submit $150 in a month making it so that you are shy one Sr Consultant, you don't move to team leader status, you simply get paid as a team leader. Your director title stays intact unless you don't meet the requirements for 3 consecutive months. Then you move down but it is easily regained...no more starting over!

Hope that helps to clarify things and gives a brighter outlook! I too am currently in what would be considered team leader status but I know that I can teach people to recruit so I am not worried about it. The new plan creates a better stepping stone for what it takes to maintain directorship and that can only be a good thing. Also, HO is planning to recognize consultants for being active and I would imagine would start giving prizes for consistently meeting active requirements.

I want to know what others, as directors are planning to do. I want to work something into my recognition program but I'm not sure what might be of a big enough benefit to make a difference to someone while at the same time not being too expensive on my end. Don't want to be making a big fuss over $150 but for consistently maintaining their active status. ANy ideas?

 

[Mel5497]

I want to know what others, as directors are planning to do. I want to work something into my recognition program but I'm not sure what might be of a big enough benefit to make a difference to someone while at the same time not being too expensive on my end. Don't want to be making a big fuss over $150 but for consistently maintaining their active status. ANy ideas?

I may end up eating my words on this, but I don't think it's the monetary value of the recognition that matters as much as it is the level of sincerity involved.

We all can sense when the sincerity is faked, or when it's given because it makes the giver feel good. Most consultants, IMHO, just appreciate being recognized for what they do...even if their sales aren't the highest or their calendar the most filled.

ps. - I loved your post. Great perspective and food for thought. Thanks!

 

[Christ Follower]

I will have a little basket with things like season's best cookbooks, paring knives, rubs, etc. If they hit $150 the previous month and attend the meeting they will get a pick from the basket. At least that's what I am thinking about doing.