Can One Order Be Counted as a Party?

[Christ Follower]

In answer to the original question, I have a lady who often books off of herself in order to get the booking benefit. She then usually just orders $150 in product herself as a guest then "qualifies" it as a show in order to get the host bonus. Now I called HO to let them know and they gave me the go-ahead. It doesn't matter who the guest is as long as there is $150 in sales.

 

[cmdtrgd]

Just something else to think about....if we were to input a $150 order of SA or Stoneware, the shipping would only be $4. If we continue to do that, HO will be forced to increase our shipping costs which hurts us and our customers. Do try to get other orders if you can!

 

[Christ Follower]

Just something else to think about....if we were to input a $150 order of SA or Stoneware, the shipping would only be $4. If we continue to do that, HO will be forced to increase our shipping costs which hurts us and our customers. Do try to get other orders if you can!

I'm not talking about combining orders to save on shipping or anything. I'm just talking about one person placing a $150 order. I see what you're saying, but I've had high shows where one person alone is spending $200-$300. Then again, I've had shows where 15 people only order $20-$30 per person. As long as no one is taking advantage, I think it will all balance out.

 

[cmdtrgd]

Ellen,I just wanted people to think about what could happen if they tried to "sell" this idea. I know it will all balance out, but it can't hurt to ask a large orderer if they know of anyone who would like to take advantage of the current guest special - they would get more free stuff, too!

 

[BethCooks4U]

Pampered Chef has always randomly audited consultants. They also randomly call hosts or guests and ask about shows, products, etc. It's one of the ways they find out what the public wants and what's working. 99.9% of the time it's all good but if there are too many red flags you will be called on it.

My whole point (again) is do what is right. Follow HO's guidelines and policies. Don't try to cheat the system.

I have sent in shows with one guest because a host was "unable" to get more orders. I know it's not against policy to do that but if someone calls you with a $150+ order it is not our place to make it a show. Suggest that the person get a few orders to add to it so it can be called a show and she can get the host benefits - even tell her just one order from a friend would be enough - but if she doesn't want to do that submit it as an individual order - that's what it is. The host benefits are HOST BENEFITS rewarded to hosts for showing the book and collecting orders from their friends.

And as someone else said, these $4 shipping shows WILL raise the cost of shipping for us all.

 

[Christ Follower]

Ellen,

I just wanted people to think about what could happen if they tried to "sell" this idea. I know it will all balance out, but it can't hurt to ask a large orderer if they know of anyone who would like to take advantage of the current guest special - they would get more free stuff, too!

Well that would be ideal, but I know it's not always the case. Although this particular woman (in my case) has a regular cooking show for me once or twice a year (with other guests ordering), she prefers to just place a big order for herself in between cooking shows to get the bonus while NOT getting the ladies at her work "burned out" on PC.

I don't think that this idea should be freely adveritsed, but I won't turn down someone wanting to do this.

 

[DebbieJ]

Tsk. Tsk.

I know I should just keep my mouth shut but that is abusing the system. The consultant agreement you signed states that you do not get the booking benefit or commission on the host discount order if you or anyone living in your home is host.

Again, I will be chastized for "personally attacking" someone but we have talked about this over and over and it is especially meant for newbies to see that it is not ethical to do things this way. Pampered Chef is so generous to us and this kind of thing will only eventually make us lose some of the benefits we currently enjoy.

I am always amazed when sig lines quote scripture and the poster talks about how they beat the system by using a child's or husband's name, etc. or called a great order a show when it isn't anything more than a great order (ASK the customer if she wants to make it a show by gathering just a couple of orders and then putting a part of it on an order with her as a guest - if she says no then enter it as an individual order. Most will want to take advantage of the benefits and will make at least a small effort.)

HO reads the posts here randomly. If you are saying that you do this you are setting yourself up to be audited.

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[dannyzmom]

I had one legitimate one that was a cooking show...the host just wasn't into getting friends there and outside orders. It happens, RARELY...otherwise, if it is like this case, I too would label it as a catalog show. Otherwise, you are making food to call it a cooking show and I would say abusing the $15 product value that HO gives out.

And the more people abuse the system, the less generous the company will be.
I suggest you call Home Office and ask them how to handle it. Then if the customer doesn't like your answer, you can refer her to HO.

 

[dannyzmom]

I didn't know PC did audits? I've never heard of this, is it new? NOt that I am worried, but I just have never heard of anything in the like?

They have ALWAYS done random audits...and when you do things like what many of the girls have mentioned doing above, you are totally setting yourself up to be audited.

 

[dannyzmom]

I do the host and guest as two different name.s Usually husband and wife, or use a child's name or their middle name.

I would suggest you call Home Office and ask what they think of this...

 

[jrstephens]

Ok. I have thought about this all night and have come to the conclusion that although my feelings are hurt by the fact that I am being called out individually when I know others have posted the same things that God is using this to convict me that although I may not see the issue that since others do see it then my witness is hurt for Him b/c I am presenting something that may make a person stumble. I have come to the conclusion through prayer that I will not do a show in my husband's name again (I have only done 2 in the past 1.5 years I have been doing this). I have already done two in my name this month, so, maybe God was trying to prepare me for this.

I also think that before you do a personal attack on one person that you need to think about the others that have posted in other places about this issue or other issues, that have not come under personal attack. But I know that God uses different ways and means to get His point across, so, I am assuming this is the time He decided to get something across to me. I also know that those of us that post scriptures and Biblical references are also called out quicker than others, but that is what happens when you try to be a good witness.

I am posting this b/c I want others to see that I do live by what I believe and "scriptures in my signature" are a true reflections of myself. And b/c I do not want to hurt my witness for God or cause my actions to cause someone else to stumble, I am coming on here and telling everyone I will not this again b/c I do not want to cause someone to stumble, and I will post as an answer from now on to do the show as a consultant hosted show.

I will get over my hurt feelings in time b/c I know that God uses them to bring things to our attention.

 

[J.Corley]

Jennifer, I commend you in stepping out there on a limb and standing up. I agree God uses different ways to convict, none of which feel good or are easy to swallow.
That being said let us not forget that the bible tells us to go one on one with a brother/sister whom we have caught in sin. The internet is new but we shouldn't forget we are all humans, who fail, but most of all get hurt!

Let us love and encourage each other in our business and in our walk.

 

[jrstephens]

Thank you for your kind words, Jennifer.

 

[Shawnna]

Now I called HO to let them know and they gave me the go-ahead. It doesn't matter who the guest is as long as there is $150 in sales.
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Ellen Hill
post # 31

Ellen says that she called HO about this and they said it was ok. If HO says it is ok, then it is ok.

Jennifer, I am sorry you have gotten your feelings hurt. It is true that God convicts each of us differently at times. It is also true that those of us who call ourselves Christians will get slammed quicker than anyone else...People are always watching us to see how we will act and react. Those same people who are quick to jump on us most likely are also doing things that shouldn't be done. Don't take it to heart. God will reward you for doing what is right. And, perhaps it really wasn't meant to be a personal attack. Sometimes people just don't think about how they "sound" before they speak.

I do not think your testimony for God is hurt. You are always kind, generous, respectful and obviously love God.

 

[angmillar]

I just one have comment...

I have been told many "tricks of the trade" by a recruiter and a director that I know personally. In fact, I have sat in on meetings that would make some of you all cringe at the notions being presented. In my ealier days in PC, I honestly had no idea that some of those tricks were against policies. I just took their words, since they have been in the biz longer than I had. I still consider myself fairly new (just finished 7 months), and when I am told some "tricks", I sometimes have to ask others if it is ethical or right. I would hope this would be a "safe" place to ask those questions.

I totally agree that someone should let me (or anyone else) know that I am doing something against policy, but I think the person should be corrected, and it should be left at that. Personally, I don't think what a person has in a signature has anything to do with our company or how we can be the most ethical consultants.

 

[BethCooks4U]

First of all I AM very much a Christian - better said a Faith-filled person (I am no better than my Jewish friends or those of other faiths). My faith of choice is Christian and I follow the teachings of my church in my daily living. That is the very reason that I feel it is important to say something when people are ignoring policy, abusing the system, etc.

I take offense at the comments that I am "attacking" anyone BECAUSE of quoting scripture. When I see scripture quoted I expect that everything that person says is going to be honest and ethical. There have been several posters who have told how they cheat and have the scripture - it's never personal.

I have been president of several organizations, attend and worked in churches and am a PC consultant. I represent those groups. When I do something I consider how my actions will reflect on that group.

As far as the postings here are concerned believe it or not I was not attacking a person. I was attacking ALL of those who talk about cheating the system but also quote scripture - those two things do not mix. If I had said nothing, the myth that it's okay to do these things would have gone on ["That very religious person said it's okay so it must be"].

When is it okay to post the correct information on this forum? No matter when something is said it's always a personal attack. "Nothing was said when ____ posted that but when I did..." Come on. It's time to put your big girl panties on and stop all this nonsense.

Follow the policies that you agreed to when you joined PC and you'll be fine. If you don't know what they are read your business guide or contact HO. Directors don't have all the answers and some cheat the system too so if yours says something that doesn't sound right look it up.

Of course if you want PC to tighten up on all they do for us and give us then just keep on doing what you're doing.

 

[dannyzmom]

Reading through this thread, I did not see anyone getting personally attacked...not at all. What I see, over and over again, is a director getting slammed for trying to HELP newer consultants learn how to run their businesses properly. Sheesh!

 

[finley1991]

I agree Carolyn & Beth. It's just too bad that when a director or consultant cautions another against violating the rules when she is only trying to stay true to her ethics and those of Pampered Chef, she gets slammed.

The only reason anyone feels "hurt" is because they have broken a rule, violated a policy or whatever. If they hadn't, they wouldn't be having those feelings.

And it's not just us... if someone from HO had contacted the consultant in violation, they would be upset with that person too.

The part about quoting scripture is tricky. Yes... if someone chooses to do that, they are held to a higher standard than others. It is what it is. With that, if someone does choose to quote scripture and in the same note post something unethical, it does come across hypocritical.

Please just know that when someone does post that a violation may be occurring, they aren't doing it to be mean or to offend a specific person... they are doing it so all will know and to protect the interests of all consultants.

 

[Evelynt]

I have a lady that wants to order a large amount of Pampered Chef items for Christmas presents. She wanted to know if it could count as a party and she could get benifits because her order is so large. So my questions is how many different orders do you need for it to be counted as a show?

Thanks,
Donna

She may be the guest and the host. This way she gets even more for less and you have one happy host/guest!!

 

[dannyzmom]

I agree Carolyn & Beth. It's just too bad that when a director or consultant cautions another against violating the rules when she is only trying to stay true to her ethics and those of Pampered Chef, she gets slammed.

The only reason anyone feels "hurt" is because they have broken a rule, violated a policy or whatever. If they hadn't, they wouldn't be having those feelings.

And it's not just us... if someone from HO had contacted the consultant in violation, they would be upset with that person too.

The part about quoting scripture is tricky. Yes... if someone chooses to do that, they are held to a higher standard than others. It is what it is. With that, if someone does choose to quote scripture and in the same note post something unethical, it does come across hypocritical.

Please just know that when someone does post that a violation may be occurring, they aren't doing it to be mean or to offend a specific person... they are doing it so all will know and to protect the interests of all consultants.

VERY well put Colleen!!!

 

[DebbieJ]

Please just know that when someone does post that a violation may be occurring, they aren't doing it to be mean or to offend a specific person... they are doing it so all will know and to protect the interests of all consultants.

EXACTLY!!! When we all signed up to be consultants, we were given the policies and procedures to read and abide by. For those of you who are new or have never read them, all the policies are now online behind Consultant's Corner and I suggest you read them.

When we post here advocating "tricks of the trade" all it does is teach others to do things that are against policies. Eventually, PC will have to tighten up our policies, take legal action against offenders, raise prices, raise shipping charges, etc. This does not help any of us or our customers nor does it help our profession.

We must believe in our company and what they have to offer, trusting that their policies are in place for our benefit, and also believe that direct sales is a PROFESSION, a viable CAREER, and behave accordingly.

 

[jrstephens]

Thank you to those of you that have sent me words of encouragement here and pm's. I appreciate them greatly - they mean alot. The confirm that I was suppose to post what I did last night.

I personally think I did put my big girl panties on-I could have totally ignored the whole issue here. I have done what I am suppose to do. I know that God is pleased with me. I will not continue to defend or apologize when I have already done so.

 

[BethCooks4U]

Thank you to those of you that have sent me words of encouragement here and pm's. I appreciate them greatly - they mean alot. The confirm that I was suppose to post what I did last night.

I personally think I did put my big girl panties on-I could have totally ignored the whole issue here. I have done what I am suppose to do. I know that God is pleased with me. I will not continue to defend or apologize when I have already done so.

We are NOT expecting an apology or defense from you Jennifer. As several have said it was not personal to anyone. We are just stating the facts and are commenting on what has been posted multiple times on multiple threads by lots of people. TRYING to get the policy clear for new people or others who may be confused.

I feel like I have had to defend myself and that I have been attacked for pointing out our company's policies. Your post at the top of the page was a definite slam on me and my faith but I guess that's okay though...

I will continue to visit CS and post when I have something to offer - even if it means that I will be attacked for not letting people work around the policies without at least thinking about how they are cheating the company.

Jennifer, You won't hear anything we're saying right now because you feel wronged so it's useless to even try at this time. When your ego is less sensitive please go back and read through the postings. You'll see that we are being general in our comments and even state that we aren't being personal. I know that quoting you makes it feel like it's about you but the quoting is just done to give examples.


I really think enough is enough and a truce should be called. There are more important things to do with our time and energies. I really do wish everyone the best and great success in your business and life.



...so how's the weather by you?

 

[jrstephens]

I really think enough is enough and a truce should be called. There are more important things to do with our time and energies. I really do wish everyone the best and great success in your business and life.



...so how's the weather by you?

I have heard everything and read several times.

TRUCE IS CALLED BY ME TOO.

The weather is cool but comfortable. Getting ready to go to the 4th round of the Football State playoffs to watch my husband's team. If we win tonight we will go to the state championship game next week. Looking forward to tonights game but not looking forward to sitting out in the wind and 40 degree temps, but at least they raised it from 34 to 44 degrees!

 

[BethCooks4U]

Getting ready to go to the 4th round of the Football State playoffs to watch my husband's team. If we win tonight we will go to the state championship game next week. Looking forward to tonights game but not looking forward to sitting out in the wind and 40 degree temps, but at least they raised it from 34 to 44 degrees!

Good luck in the game! Bundle up!

 

[chefmeg]

I am SO proud of you girls......:sing: :sing: :sing: singing your praises!!!!

 

[jrstephens]

Good luck in the game! Bundle up!

Let's see... I have my thermal long johns, turlte neck, sweat shirt, fleece and a jacket just in case plus a throw! Last year at the championship game that we lost by 1 point it was 18 degrees and that was not the feel like temp. It will all be worth it if we get that ring though!

 

[chefmeg]

GADS Jennifer! I am from south Alabama and you know it isn't that cold there now! How can those boys play anything in that kind of weather!?

 

[PamperedChefDebi]

You guys are awesome! Thank you both for being mature about this. Reminds us that we ALL can do that when it's for the best.

Jennifer, I have huge respect for the fact that you looked at this from a spiritual perspective and how God was using you, and you weren't afraid to state that.

Beth, I love that you always speak your mind. You're like our subconscious kicking in when we may be too close to crossing a line. And like you stated, if nothing else, you give us something to think about.

((((((((((((((((((((GROUP HUG)))))))))))))))))))) I love you guys!
(Somebody hook me up with the appropriate smiley.)

 

[jrstephens]

Well, we lost the game last night 28-27. Such a heart breaker. Early in the game our kicker missed and extra point. Late in the game we had a TD called back on a penalty. We went up to win with 3:00 minutes left and they scored with 1:45 left nad time ran out for us.

Just wanted to update yall on the game for those that read after we started talking about it. Plus, the weather was warmer than we thought, so, thankfully we were not cold.

At least we are 1 one of the 4 top teams in the state but it does hurt to get that close to a championship and loose. We lost by one point in the championship game last year - same exact score.

Off to do a show! Y'all have a great day!