Rant Highly Disappointed in Pampered Chef

[RMDave]

After receiving two emails today hyping PC's promotion which gives Best Buy gift cards out ... I went ballistic and send the following email to HQ:I am offended that Pampered Chef is working in any manner with Best Buy. Perhaps someone in the appropriate department ought to Google "Target+Boycott" and read what how both Target Stores and Best Buy have given (together) a quarter-of-a-million dollars which ended up purchasing advertising for a Homophobic candidate for governor of the State of Minnesota.Many of your consultants (both male and female, gay and straight) are displeased with Pampered Chef's promoting Best Buy and offering a promotion in conjunction with the less-than-honorable business.Very, very disappointed,Dave BartonFor my fellow "Cheffers", Consultants, Directors, et al: who don't know what I'm talking about, here's a bit of background:Target and Best Buy have made sizable donations ($150,000 and $100,000, respectively) to a Political Action Committee (PAC) that supports Republican Tom Emmer's bid to replace Tim Pawlenty as Minnesota governor. While Emmer is opposed to gay marriage, it is his support for an anti-gay Christian rock band that really rankles:You Can Run But You Cannot Hide*is fronted by a man named Bradlee Dean. And Tom Emmer is a buddy-buddy with Dean and his band. "These are nice people," Emmer said of the band, who have appeared at various Minnesota GOP functions, from statewide conventions to political candidate soirées.But here's what Bradlee Dean has said about LGBT people:"Muslims are calling for the executions of homosexuals in America. This just shows you they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian God, but they seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality is an abomination," Dean previously said.This could be a textbook example of the tension between corporate influence and corporate public image. While the ability to make such large donations certainly increases the potential influence that a company can exert, it also ties them more closely to potential political liabilities. The Republicans' reputation for being "business friendly" must now be counterbalanced with some of their less-attractive social views. This is the flip side of the free speech argument, taking responsibility for what you say.
You are free to disagree with me on this issue, but I think HQ has made a move based on ignorance and insensitivity. Let HQ know your feelings on this matter.Thanks for taking the time to read this,Dave

 

[mom4angela]

Dave: Thank you for sharing your views. In this time of uncomfortable situations it is refreshing for ME (not stating opinions of others) to know what is going on, because, to be honest, I had no CLUE of the BEST BUY thing.

I have to share with you that my husband went to Wash. DC to the weekend "get together" (we live in NC and he left at 3:00 am to get there on time), and we are well aware of all the things that are happening (or NOT happening). I'm glad to see that you are involved and are in the know. I did NOT know about the details you expressed.

By the way, on Sunday the day after he returned, there was not a WORD about the event in our local Raleigh News and Observer, and there was OVER 500,000 people there! He was (@#$%)ed !!

THANK YOU FOR TAKING A STAND... BECAUSE IF YOU.....WE.... DON'T.. WHO WILL?????

 

[RMDave]

Hugs, Mom!

 

[Tropicalburstqt2]

Personally, I'd much rather earn pampered chef products than best buy gift cards.

 

[Intrepid_Chef]

Dave, I had NO IDEA about this! (That's what I get for not living in Minnesota.)

I have different reasons for hating on "worst buy." My first Christmas ever where I purchased gifts w/a debit card instead of credit, I reserved some gifts online and put them on the same card. Best Buy put through a "hold" and a charge, and because of the holiday, they put it through as two charges. By the time I noticed this, I was WAY, WAY, WAY overdrawn because of fee upon fee upon fee, to the tune of $200 or more. The bank agreed to make all those fees go away if Worst Buy would just own up to it. I spent hours and hours talking to various reps, all of whom addressed me as "Day In" and could not speak English, let alone comprehend what I was saying.

I refuse to shop there, which is not easy since Comp USA and Circuit City have closed their doors.

Roomie has obvious reasons for agreeing with you on this. I should forward your post via e-mail.

I'd also like to know what the name of the "anti-gay Christian band" is so I will never purchase a CD of theirs. I love Christian music and most of it is about love, not hate.

 

[Intrepid_Chef]

I googled him. He does not appear to have a recording contract. He does appear to have a radio hate show.

 

[Zsu]

OMG.
I would not get caught dead at THAT store. They are a joke.
Sometimes i say, i would rather be crippled and be a door greeter at Walmart than a normal person and work at BB. However i do not support Walmart business either.

I looked at the new promo for PC and i said to myself that there is another useless stuff. There was something similar last year that is did not care for. Even though i have a new consultant lined up i will not care earning the gift card.

Please people do not use BB's squad for computer anything. My husband fixes computers and people bring in stuff that BB has screwed up, or did not know how to fix and so on. One of the customers pc was smoked up in front of the customer, because they put in the wrong power supply. The only thing they needed to do is to tighten the cards, because the customer moved cross country and things got loose inside. We get their "happy" customers all the time.

 

[Triciascucina]

Personally, I'd much rather earn pampered chef products than best buy gift cards.

I agree i live overseas and there is not best buy here.

 

[Sheila]

I agree i live overseas and there is not best buy here.

I'm in Japan too and would much rather have PC Dollars or a Visa Gift Card.

I'm also betting that they have no knowledge of the Political Contributions or the issues backed by the receiver of the contributions. It's probably just one of those "who can give us a great discount" decisions.

 

[AJPratt]

Dave, I am stunned. I do think PC needs to do more research on companies that they partner up with to avoid situations like these, where the very people who make PC possible (us!) are hurt and disappointed. My best friend is gay and I don't think he or his partner are aware of Target and Best Buy's contributions, but you can bet I am going to send him this info.

 

[Jolie_Paradoxe]

Thanks for bringing this up. I wasn't even aware of it sadly.

 

[mountainmama74]

I wasn't aware either, Dave. Thank you so much for sharing. With a gay brother and SEVERAL gay friends, I'll no longer be shopping at Best Buy or Target!

I'll never understand the hate.

 

[Jewel]

OMG.
Please people do not use BB's squad for computer anything.

My ex is a computer guy too and BB hired my 16 year old son to work for the "squad" because he had the most knowledge of the applicants, they won't hire anyone certified because they would have to pay them more. Right from the managers mouth to my son! He thought he would get some experience under someone certified! NOT!

Thank Dave for the heads up. I had heard something a while back but no details. People should get their own houses in order before trying to clean someone else's!

 

[pamperedlinda]

Thanks Dave. I was aware of the Target donation, but not Best Buy.

 

[RMDave]

I received a form response from the Solution Center saying they'd forward my "concerns" to the appropriate parties. Whatever that means.

 

[lesliec]

I am a little disappointed in this thread. You can love people without loving what they do and how they live. I have two very close relatives who are caught in this lifestyle. I love both of them dearly, and don't judge them, but we are very much against the choices they make. We have actually decided to start shopping at Target b/c of this.

 

[elizabethby]

When wsere they giving BB Gift cards and what for?

 

[nikked]

I am a little disappointed in this thread. You can love people without loving what they do and how they live. I have two very close relatives who are caught in this lifestyle. I love both of them dearly, and don't judge them, but we are very much against the choices they make. We have actually decided to start shopping at Target b/c of this.

I have been silently watching this thread, but have to agree with Lesliec. We do shop more at Target than we ever have before because of this. I do not believe that TPC was making a political statement in this move...they cut a deal with BB, and that's who they're using.

 

[BethCooks4U]

When wsere they giving BB Gift cards and what for?

You can earn a $50 Best Buy card for every recruit Sept 15-Oct 31.


My concern about this thread is that it's bashing PC. I am quite sure they did not make the decision to use Best Buy because of their political statements. They did so because they know many people buy electronics and it's the nationwide company that we can all find (even online).

Keep it up and we will see less and less incentives. We already see much less given away to those who go to National Conference and other cutbacks at the company. I'm not saying we can't vent but geeze...

 

[Intrepid_Chef]

I agree that they were just as clueless as us, and no doubt got a deal. Otherwise they'd be handing out COLD HARD CASH. Which people could then turn around and use to buy the November/October host specials people are clamoring for!I think it's fine to vent and an even better idea to make people aware of what's going on so we can all make our own decisions. Some of us were not aware.I prefer not to mix politcs and shopping ...

 

[ChefBeckyD]

You can earn a $50 Best Buy card for every recruit Sept 15-Oct 31.


My concern about this thread is that it's bashing PC. I am quite sure they did not make the decision to use Best Buy because of their political statements. They did so because they know many people buy electronics and it's the nationwide company that we can all find (even online).

Keep it up and we will see less and less incentives. We already see much less given away to those who go to National Conference and other cutbacks at the company. I'm not saying we can't vent but geeze...

Along with that, is the fact that we could be boycotting EVERY company out there for something or another....how do you pick and choose boycotts? What one person or group might be passionate about, another person or group might not even see as a blip on the screen of their life. I'm sure there are plenty of Gay men & women who work for BB (and Target), and seriously...a boycott could be hurting them financially.

Personally - I'd love a couple BB gift cards. We are talking about purchasing a Wii, and that could bring down the cost significantly!

 

[taterbug]

First of all, I don't particularly choose Target as I store I frequent often, simply because I don't care for the store; not because of their political contributions. I shop at Best Buy from time to time, if they have a product I want to purchase and the price beats their competition.
I don't get too very deep in politics because, quite frankly, I don't understand a lot of it, but I do have an opinion regarding homosexuality and the attitudes of people on both sides of the debate. According to the Bible, that I choose to believe is the Word of God, homosexuality is a sin; pure and simple. I do believe that God will judge the life style, behavoir, choice - whatever you want to call it - and I believe that those who do partake in homosexuality will be held accountable, by God, for it.
That same Bible though does not give me the right to hate a homosexual person or to condemn them. I do not feel that God gives any of us the authority to execute homosexuals, nor do I believe that he commands us to hate them. I feel that I, as a Christian, am justified in saying that according to God's Word, homosexuality is wrong and that homosexuals are living in that sin; however, I cannot judge that person's salvation, as that is between the person and God.
I cannot control the actions of a homosexual person any more than I can control the actions of a man or woman who chooses to commit adultery. We are each accountable for our own actions and behaviors and I firmly believe that there will come a day when we will each answer for ourselves. Because of the Holy Spirit, I cannot hate a person for their actions, even though I can hate the action. Jesus Christ hated sin but loved sinners and we should strive to love like He did; not hate people who do things we don't agree with.
I don't support homosexual causes because I don't believe homosexuality is right; however, I don't hate a gay or lesbian person, nor do I wish any harm against them. I will say that I do find it tiresome that everything in today's society is supposed to be politically correct, feel good, etc. And I am not just talking about homosexuals; that is in regard to politics, religion, immigration, women's rights, animal rights....you name it.
Bottom line on this one, I'm not angered at Pampered Chef, I don't intend to boycott Target or Best Buy, nor do I intend to become a frequent customer of either store. I am not big on recruiting anyway, so the incentive itself is really a moot point for me.

 

[lesliec]

Along with that, is the fact that we could be boycotting EVERY company out there for something or another....how do you pick and choose boycotts? What one person or group might be passionate about, another person or group might not even see as a blip on the screen of their life. I'm sure there are plenty of Gay men & women who work for BB (and Target), and seriously...a boycott could be hurting them financially.

Personally - I'd love a couple BB gift cards. We are talking about purchasing a Wii, and that could bring down the cost significantly!

When I saw the promotion last night, I ran into DH's office and said "we're getting a Wii!!!!"

 

[lesliec]

First of all, I don't particularly choose Target as I store I frequent often, simply because I don't care for the store; not because of their political contributions. I shop at Best Buy from time to time, if they have a product I want to purchase and the price beats their competition.
I don't get too very deep in politics because, quite frankly, I don't understand a lot of it, but I do have an opinion regarding homosexuality and the attitudes of people on both sides of the debate. According to the Bible, that I choose to believe is the Word of God, homosexuality is a sin; pure and simple. I do believe that God will judge the life style, behavoir, choice - whatever you want to call it - and I believe that those who do partake in homosexuality will be held accountable, by God, for it.
That same Bible though does not give me the right to hate a homosexual person or to condemn them. I do not feel that God gives any of us the authority to execute homosexuals, nor do I believe that he commands us to hate them. I feel that I, as a Christian, am justified in saying that according to God's Word, homosexuality is wrong and that homosexuals are living in that sin; however, I cannot judge that person's salvation, as that is between the person and God.
I cannot control the actions of a homosexual person any more than I can control the actions of a man or woman who chooses to commit adultery. We are each accountable for our own actions and behaviors and I firmly believe that there will come a day when we will each answer for ourselves. Because of the Holy Spirit, I cannot hate a person for their actions, even though I can hate the action. Jesus Christ hated sin but loved sinners and we should strive to love like He did; not hate people who do things we don't agree with.
I don't support homosexual causes because I don't believe homosexuality is right; however, I don't hate a gay or lesbian person, nor do I wish any harm against them. I will say that I do find it tiresome that everything in today's society is supposed to be politically correct, feel good, etc. And I am not just talking about homosexuals; that is in regard to politics, religion, immigration, women's rights, animal rights....you name it.
Bottom line on this one, I'm not angered at Pampered Chef, I don't intend to boycott Target or Best Buy, nor do I intend to become a frequent customer of either store. I am not big on recruiting anyway, so the incentive itself is really a moot point for me.

Very well said.

 

[Nanisu]

Ok, can we get back to discussing Pampered Chef now? This thread could go down a very dark road and I don't want to clog up the board with this discussion.

 

[kam]

Along with that, is the fact that we could be boycotting EVERY company out there for something or another....how do you pick and choose boycotts? What one person or group might be passionate about, another person or group might not even see as a blip on the screen of their life. I'm sure there are plenty of Gay men & women who work for BB (and Target), and seriously...a boycott could be hurting them financially.
...

I thought the same exact thing as I read Beth's post.

For each company we might not have a problem with, someone else will. How would/could ANY company be choosen?

I also don't believe it was politically motivated, and you have to figure it would be difficult to find (a) a store national enough to be available to the majority of consultants and (b) one willing to work a deal.

Atleast it is an incentive. They didn't have to offer one at all.

 

[Intrepid_Chef]

I agree ... let's get back to the point. I really would hate to see this turned into a debate on this issue, which has the very real potential to bash people on these boards.When in doubt, let's err on the side of love. Hmmmm ... looking for a new siggy. That might be it.

 

[taterbug]

I agree ... let's get back to the point. I really would hate to see this turned into a debate on this issue, which has the very real potential to bash people on these boards.

When in doubt, let's err on the side of love. Hmmmm ... looking for a new siggy. That might be it.

I would like to just clarify, in case anyone thinks otherwise, that my post was not meant as a bash against anyone. In fact, I truly debated even saying anything, but in the reference Dave gave it said something about Muslims wanting to execute homosexual Americans, which is, in my opinion, a terrible perspective from anyone's side. Hate and violence are wrong, no matter what.

 

[chefsteph07]

No matter what, SOMEONE always has to be upset about SOMETHING. If you are against BB, then do not participate in the incentive. pure and simple. I agree wholeheartedly w/ Beth! If everyone starts contacting PC w/ their rants about their own agendas, we will get NO incentives at ALL!

 

[pampered1224]

I was not going to go there but, I have too. If each of us is made in his image, and we all know God does not make mistakes, how can anyone say that being gay is an "problem" rather than just something in the grand scheme of things? I know a lot of people believe it is a choice. But by God when, where and the way I was raised, I certainly would never have chosen a life like this! So when do you think a person is old enough to make that choice? I am just curious to know the answer to that as my grandmother told my mother when I was 5 that I was going to be light in the loafers. Mom never told me that. Mom also, many years later admitted that she knew when I was about 7. So, at 7 was I capable of making that decision?

 

[BethCooks4U]

John, we are all who we are in our hearts. We don't always recognize who we are and maybe are even confused at points in our lives. Our environment clouds things. But eventually we become our authentic selves and just know.

I can't believe that our loving God would harshly judge anyone who is authentic and lives a good life without harming others (etc). Jesus taught tolerence - a lesson many people need to learn.

 

[Intrepid_Chef]

John, let's just say I have specific beliefs that come out of years of research on this issue in response to friends and family members who are gay. They are very hard to explain in a post on CS and I will not do so. Suffice it to say that a) You will never hear the word "choice" come out of my mouth in regard to this issue and b) there is one Holy Spirit, and it is HIS job, not mine, to convict people of whatever sin is in their lives, be it self-centered pride, hatred or whatever.A few years ago, people complained about the gas cards because they were for a national chain that had few stations in our area. I personally believe that if someone will not shop at Best Buy, either because they don't have one in their area or because of a moral issue, then that person ought to be given a visa card instead, or PC Dollars. But there are others who will chase every carrot out there and would love to have a Best Buy card.We good?

 

[pclinskie]

'I can't believe that our loving God would harshly judge anyone who is authentic and lives a good life without harming others (etc). Jesus taught tolerence - a lesson many people need to learn.'

thank you.

 

[pampered1224]

Thanks Beth but that does not tell me why people think people would choose this lifestyle with all the hate out there? I mean am I that STUPID that I would obviously put myself in harms way because of a choice? I have never intentionally hurt anyone, I treat everyone with as much honest kindness as I can, I apologize if I don't and I own it, I do not hate anyone, and I believe in my higher power with all my being. If what I am is so evil, does it not make sense then that I would hate GOD? All you gay haters make it feel that way. And if that isn't going against God's teaching then I don't know what is apparently. And don't give me that don't hate the sinner but hate the sin crap. That is just a great way to rationalize it so you do not feel like you are going against Gods teachings. Either you do or you don't. Anything else is hypocritical. You know why? Because there is no acceptance. Do not try to understand it because even after 49 years I don't. Every time someone says things like hate the sin not the sinner or that they do accept, but not really because it is really only 50%, as they do not accept the action which is part of who we are, it hurts. And God never said it was OK to hurt someone. No matter who they are. So when someone says anything negative about gay people, they are talking to me. and that hurts. So you are telling me that God's plan for everyone is to hurt others in His name? And that is OK?
"Thanks Beth and yes, it is long winded! The point is this and it is a Sunday School lesson. What we think, do or do not do in our lives is on us. Plain and simple. God gave us free will and he gave us rules. We are the only ones we can put the responsibility on for every little or BIG rotten thing and every glorious good thing that happens to us. Others may gives us the opportunities but what happens with those opportunities is still our own doing. Consciously or subconsciously, everything we do is controlled by us. So..."
Yes, these are my words. And yes I believe them. However, I do not have control over the biologically of me

 

[BethCooks4U]

John, no matter who we are there are people who don't like something about us. Yes, gays have more to deal with than other groups but you have to come to terms with it. You've accepted who you are. Don't let those who are intolerant hurt you.

Be who you are and don't allow them so much power. We will all be judged some day. Let that be your peace.

 

[RMDave]

I am a little disappointed in this thread. You can love people without loving what they do and how they live. I have two very close relatives who are caught in this lifestyle. I love both of them dearly, and don't judge them, but we are very much against the choices they make. We have actually decided to start shopping at Target b/c of this.

"caught in this lifestyle" and "We have actually decided to start shopping at Target b/c of this." What a loving, sensitive and well educated way of thinking.

 

[Kathy's_Kitchen]

All I know is I did not wake up one day and choose to be heterosexual....if anyone has ever made a particular choice one way or the other, I would be interested to hear from them. I firmly believe that no one chooses any particular way of lifestyle, people are born one way or another....

I know the Bible says things that are against homosexuality but we also have to take into consideration the times in which the Bible was written. People killed, shunned, and ostracized all sorts of people for being different from the "norm." There are lots of scholarly studies out there that present the Bible in the light of when the particular books were written that sheds a lot of light on why certain topics are presented the way they are.

I do go to church every week to a mainstream denomination and believe firmly that God is a loving God who is the creator of all humankind (and all were created in His image) and loves us all equally.

 

[Intrepid_Chef]

Just know, Dave, that not everybody thinks this way. They are free to shop where they wish. As are we.

 

[crystalscookingnow]

. People killed, shunned, and ostracized all sorts of people for being different from the "norm." There are lots of scholarly studies out there that present the Bible in the light of when the particular books were written that sheds a lot of light on why certain topics are presented the way they are.

This still happens today. Maybe not in our backyard in America but it happens in other countries.

 

[Kathy's_Kitchen]

Yes, I thought about saying that when I was typing...but thought I'd stick with the goings on here in the U.S. Not that the same thing doesn't still happen here but it's usually not the accepted behavior no matter what group is being targeted.....

 

[RMDave]

Believing in the teachings of Bible and going to church are wonderful things for people who get comfort from doing so. Kathy's post was nicely put. Intrepid Chef's posts were simple and direct and to the point. Mine never are.I found this on the Web. Since it wasn't from a Wiki-site, it may be more factual than most. WARNING: It is going to offend those who don't like references to "body parts" and "sexual behavior." But hey, the Bible says it so it should be considered acceptable and appropriate.Here are 11 things that are technically banned by the Bible. (All quotes are translations from the New American Standard Bible, but, because I'm actually trying to maintain serious journalistic integrity here, I cross-referenced several other translations to make sure I wasn't missing the point.)1. Round haircuts. See you in Hell, Beatles... and/or kids with bowl cuts, surfer cuts or (my favorite) butt cuts. Leviticus 19:27 reads "You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard." 2. Football. At least, the pure version of football, where you play with a pigskin. The modern synthetic footballs are ugly and slippery anyways. Leviticus 11:8, which is discussing pigs, reads "You shall not eat of their flesh nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you." And you're doubly breaking that if you wake up, eat some sausage then go throw around the football. Or go to the county fair and enter a greased pig catching contest. 3. Fortune telling. Before you call a 900 number (do people still call 900 numbers, by the way?), read your horoscope or crack open a fortune cookie, realize you're in huge trouble if you do. Leviticus 19:31 reads "Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God." The penalty for that? Check Leviticus 20:6: "As for the person who turns to mediums and to spiritists, to play the harlot after them, I will also set My face against that person and will cut him off from among his people." Seems like a lifetime of exile is a pretty harsh penalty for talking to Zoltar of Madam Zenobia. 4. Pulling out. The Bible doesn't get too much into birth control... it's clearly pro-populating but, back when it was written, no one really anticipated the condom or the sponge, so those don't get specific bans. But... pulling out does. One of the most famous sexual-oriented Bible verses... the one that's used as anti-masturbation rhetoric... is actually anti-pulling out. It's Genesis 38:9-10: "Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother's wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord; so He took his life also." Yep - pull out and get smote. That's harsh. 5. Tattoos. No tattoos. Leviticus 19:28 reads, "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord." Not even a little butterfly on your ankle. Or Thug Life across your abdomen. Or even, fittingly enough, a cross. 6. Polyester, or any other fabric blends. The Bible doesn't want you to wear polyester. Not just because it looks cheap. It's sinfully unnatural. Leviticus 19:19 reads, "You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together." Check the tag on your shirt right now. Didn't realize you were mid-sin at this exact second, did you? (Unless you checked the tag by rolling off your neighbor's wife while you two were having anal sex in the middle of robbing a blind guy. Then your Lycra-spandex blend is really the least of your problems.) 7. Divorce. The Bible is very clear on this one: No divorcing. You can't do it. Because when you marry someone, according to Mark 10:8, you "are no longer two, but one flesh." And, Mark 10:9 reads, "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." Mark gets even more hardcore about it a few verses later, in Mark 10:11-12, "And He said to them, 'Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.'" 8. Letting people without testicles into church. Whether you've been castrated or lost one or two balls to cancer isn't important. The Bible doesn't get that specific. It just says you can't pray. Deuteronomy 23:1 reads (this is the God's Word translation, which spells it out better), "A man whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off may never join the assembly of the Lord." Oh, and the next verse says that if you're a bastard, the child of a bastard... or even have a great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild of a bastard, you can't come to church or synagogue either. Deuteronomy 23:2 reads, "No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the Lord; none of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the assembly of the Lord." 9. Wearing gold. 1 Timothy 2:9 doesn't like your gold necklace at all. Or your pearl necklace. Or any clothes you're wearing that you didn't get from Forever 21, Old Navy or H&M. "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments." 10. Shellfish. Leviticus 11:10 reads, "But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you." And shellfish is right in that wheelhouse. Leviticus 11 bans a TON of animals from being eaten (it's THE basis for Kosher law); beyond shellfish and pig, it also says you can't eat camel, rock badger, rabbit, eagle, vulture, buzzard, falcon, raven, crow, ostrich, owl, seagull, hawk, pelican, stork, heron, bat, winged insects that walk on four legs unless they have joints to jump with like grasshoppers (?), bear, mole, mouse, lizard, gecko, crocodile, chameleon and snail. Sorry if that totally ruins your plans to go to a rock badger eat-off this weekend. 11. Your wife defending your life in a fight by grabbing your attacker's genitals. No joke. Deuteronomy actually devotes two verses to this exact scenario: Deuteronomy 25:11-12. "If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity." That's impossible to misinterpret. Ladies, if your husband is getting mugged, make sure to kick the mugger in the pills. Do not do the grip and squeeze (no matter what "Miss Congeniality" might advise). Or your hand needs to be cut off.
As a final note, I know that nine of these 11 cite the Old Testament, which Christianity doesn't necessarily adhere to as law. To which I say: If you're going to ignore the section of Leviticus that bans about tattoos, pork, shellfish, round haircuts, polyester and football, how can you possibly turn around and quote Leviticus 18:22 ("You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.") as irrefutable law? I am happy that many following the teachings of the Bible. I assume that means all of the teachings and not just the Readers Digest condensed version.

 

[DebbieJ]

I agree that they were just as clueless as us, and no doubt got a deal. Otherwise they'd be handing out COLD HARD CASH. Which people could then turn around and use to buy the November/October host specials people are clamoring for!

I think it's fine to vent and an even better idea to make people aware of what's going on so we can all make our own decisions. Some of us were not aware.

I prefer not to mix politcs and shopping ...

Then you would never buy a thing at a retail store. I'm sure there is *something* you can find about every retail store or their parent company out there. It's just near impossible to vote with your dollars anymore.

 

[Intrepid_Chef]

I mean that shopping is hard enough for some of us without putting politcs into it

 

[RMDave]

I mean that shopping is hard enough for some of us without putting politcs into it

Well you can always use your BB Gift Card to make things ... oh wait. Never mind.

D

 

[Intrepid_Chef]

Oh and Dave ... I don't do the horror scope thing b/c I refuse to let the enemy tell me who I am; know the verses on Onan were written b/c the guy didn't want to give his SIL a kid to take away his inheritance (selfish) and adhere to what God told Peter about pork and stuff in Acts 10:15. ("Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.")I think that applies to people just as much as it does to food. 'Nuff said.

 

[Intrepid_Chef]

At least if they hit the BB card twice I wouldn't be chasing down customer service reps who call me "Day-In."

 

[RMDave]

At least if they hit the BB card twice I wouldn't be chasing down customer service reps who call me "Day-In."

LOL! Thanks for making Me laugh IC!

 

[pampered1224]

Dave, there is one thing I think, correction, I know, I disagree with is the boycott. Sounds funny and no I do not agree with what either company did but if we are living in our beliefs that God has taught us, we do forgive.
For those of you who hide behind "Love the sinner but not the sin", the Bible teaches us that love is unconditional. That statement tells me that you made love conditional. "I won't love you if you do this." The opposite of love is hate. Plain and simple. Stop sugar coating it. Stop lying to yourself and the rest of us. Be honest at least and say you HATE gay people. At least being honest in that hate is closer to being what God wanted from us.

 

[RMDave]

John. What makes this world wonderful is that we all have divergent opinions and methodologies. The boycott has been an effective tool. Target's Board of Director's made it very clear that this type of un-properly vetted donation will no longer be tolerated. Best Buy's response? Hide in the ground and pretend nothing happened.Unconditional love is not love given with self-righteous attitude. I believe in unconditional love and respect. But attack me, my children, my friends, my community or anybody/cause I care about, and I'll show unconditional loathing.Hugs to you and yours,D

 

[Intrepid_Chef]

And John, I would have to add that some people really DON'T hate gay people, they are simply ignorant. They don't realize the full implications of what they are really saying. Been there, done that, returned the t-shirt.Actually returned the t-shirt when I was 8 years old and made an un-thinking statement along the lines of "Eeeww, that's so gay." My aunt stopped her vacuuming to say, "Your uncle Larry is gay. You still love him, don't you?" I said, "Oh, of course I do" and went back about my business.