Religion No Matter Who Is President... (Warning I Am Republican)

[DebbieSAChef]

Christ is still on the throne! Yes prayer is much needed right now. I love that we are a democratic nation and that the voters spoke loudly last night on who they wanted for president.
But mark my words they will regret their decision in 4 years and we will have another Republican in office. And those republicans who thought by voting for Obama they would protest against the republican party to prove a point will be back in the republican camp stronger than ever next time around.

And whoever made the comment that we are going to be crazy, rebellious republicans barricaded in our basements with enough ammo to keep us safe, was WRONG. (I paraphrased) Although that can't be any crazier than the conspiracy group who think Bush bombed the Towers himself. No as Christians we are to be devoted to Christ, no matter who is in office. Remember Saul. God takes care of his people.
I am a Christian, therefore I am not filled with hate, it is contrary to the image of Christ. And unlike many Bush haters, I will always show respect to the office of presidency no matter who is president. But I don't have to agree with him, and I know he will not bring change, only disaster. I hope socialism isn't looming on the horizon.

Debbie :chef:

 

[jrstephens]

I agree Debbie. Now we have to pray for God himself to bring about the change we need in America- a change to go by His words and commands. And as Christians, we know He will one day bring about that change.

I got chills last night when it was announced and prayed immediately for God to help us.

I am afraid socialism is looming.

Of course I am sure some will go off on us for turining to God b/c we do agree with this.

 

[Curlyone]

Debbie, I feel the same. We are to humble ourselves and pray for our Nation. Never has there been a time in history that we need to be in constant prayer.

 

[BethCooks4U]

I agree Debbie. Now we have to pray for God himself to bring about the change we need in America- a change to go by His words and commands. And as Christians, we know He will one day bring about that change.

I got chills last night when it was announced and prayed immediately for God to help us.

I am afraid socialism is looming.

Of course I am sure some will go off on us for turining to God b/c we do agree with this.

So if someone disagrees with you they are against God? We believe in God too you know. We are also praying. Among other things, we are praying for strength and unity and that those who are unhappy with the decision of the majority find peace and assurance and that their hearts are softened.

 

[chefsteph07]

Beth, I really think you need to chill out.

Jennifer just made a comment, which she really doesn't on this subject.
Why pick apart every line of every statement? Can we just be supportive!
Why are you on a thread when there is a warning that the person originally posting it warns that she is Republican?

Sorry that we don't all have the warm fuzzies like you do.

 

[jrstephens]

So if someone disagrees with you they are against God? We believe in God too you know. We are also praying. Among other things, we are praying for strength and unity and that those who are unhappy with the decision of the majority find peace and assurance and that their hearts are softened.

NO that is NOT what I was meaning!! I was meaning that I know from past experience that people jump on those of us that put our faith in God. No matter what the situation is. And start saying they get tired of hearing us throw God in their faces.

I am sorry that you mis-understood my words.

 

[ChefBeckyD]

So if someone disagrees with you they are against God? We believe in God too you know. We are also praying. Among other things, we are praying for strength and unity and that those who are unhappy with the decision of the majority find peace and assurance and that their hearts are softened.

I have peace, assurance, and pray always for a heart that is tender. I pray that my heart will break for the things that break the heart of God.


And Debbie, I agree 100% with your post.

1 Thessalonians 5:17-18 (New Living Translation)

17 Never stop praying. 18 Be thankful in all circumstances, for this is God’s will for you who belong to Christ Jesus.

(The context of that verse means it's God's will for those of us who are followers of Christ to always pray, and always be thankful.)

 

[BethCooks4U]

Beth, I really think you need to chill out.

Jennifer just made a comment, which she really doesn't on this subject.
Why pick apart every line of every statement? Can we just be supportive!
Why are you on a thread when there is a warning that the person originally posting it warns that she is Republican?

Sorry that we don't all have the warm fuzzies like you do.

I am really getting tired of people telling me to chill out. I am not focusing on all this as some of you think (and as some of you are). I am as entitled as anyone else to express my opinion. Jennifer has answered my concern with her statement. ...and I didn't know that I wasn't allowed on this thread. I thought this was an open forum. WOW


Everyone needs to chill out and stop attacking every time someone disagrees. Sheesh.

 

[susanr613]

I started to get all upset when I read this thread, then I remembered that everyone has his or her own views, and that this board is sometimes the only place someone can speak and be acknowledged. I know that if McCain had won, I would be pretty gloomy and I would want to express that.

Thank you Debbie for the disclaimer (that you were posting as a Republican) and to those of you who are disappointed, sad, and fearful, please take your time mourning.

 

[chefsteph07]

I am really getting tired of people telling me to chill out. I am not focusing on all this as some of you think (and as some of you are). I am as entitled as anyone else to express my opinion. Jennifer has answered my concern with her statement. ...and I didn't know that I wasn't allowed on this thread. I thought this was an open forum. WOW


Everyone needs to chill out and stop attacking every time someone disagrees. Sheesh.

But you are attacking just as much as you are accusing others, and you are telling us all to chill out, but you don't want to hear it for yourself when someone tells you to chill? ...That's all I'm saying.
Of course you are "allowed" on these threads and to make comments, etc. But, when there is a disclaimer, don't be surprised when it is against YOUR view.

 

[chefsteph07]

I started to get all upset when I read this thread, then I remembered that everyone has his or her own views, and that this board is sometimes the only place someone can speak and be acknowledged. I know that if McCain had won, I would be pretty gloomy and I would want to express that.

Thank you Debbie for the disclaimer (that you were posting as a Republican) and to those of you who are disappointed, sad, and fearful, please take your time mourning.

Thank you for being logical Susan.

 

[pampchefsarah]

1I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— 2for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.

8I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.
1 Timothy 2:1-2 & 8

Since this is a thread about praying for our President, not about believing in Jesus, I omitted the verses touching on Christ, for the sake of Susan and others who believe in the power of God but not (yet) in Jesus.

 

[jrstephens]

Beth, I really think you need to chill out.

Jennifer just made a comment, which she really doesn't on this subject.
Why pick apart every line of every statement? Can we just be supportive!
Why are you on a thread when there is a warning that the person originally posting it warns that she is Republican?

Sorry that we don't all have the warm fuzzies like you do.

Thanks for standing up for me Steph. I just now saw your post, I think we were posting at the same time this morning.

 

[DebbieSAChef]

Good news in the midst of a disappointing evening.

I got this email from the American Family Association today!

Dear Debra,

No doubt, it was a disappointing night with overwhelmingly bad news. But there was some good news for those who support traditional marriage. In the states of Arizona, Florida and California voters said no to homosexual “marriage.” In fact, in the Sunshine State, 60% of the vote was needed to keep marriage only between a man and a woman, and our side was able to garner 62% of the vote.

We won in Arizona, too! This is significant because a couple of years ago the marriage amendment was defeated when the pro-homosexual marriage advocates played the fear card with senior citizens.

Finally, in California, our country’s largest and most liberal state, the citizens voted 52% to 48% to overturn the state Supreme Court’s decision to allow same-sex marriage. This is BIG news! Radical homosexual groups, Hollywood celebrities and the liberal media came together to try and defeat Proposition 8, yet the pro-family and pro-marriage citizens of California won a huge victory and, if I might add, put the arrogant California Supreme Court in its place.

Your American Family Association was deeply involved in all three challenges. We kept the people of those states informed and encouraged. In fact, AFA contributed $500,000 to help achieve the victory in California. We had been saving the money over a period of years because we knew that one day it would be needed for a fight like the one we had in California. Of course, these funds came from people like you.

So despite some discouraging news on the national front, 30 states have adopted a state constitutional amendment preserving traditional marriage since the legalization of same-sex “marriage” in Massachusetts. That is due to the hard work of people like you.

Debbie :chef:

 

[Kitchen Diva]

Thanks for sharing, Debbie!

 

[Shawnna]

I think we are in for a bumpy ride but we have survived in the past and we will survive this. In 4 years there will be another election and I believe things will change again. Now we need to be praying for our nation, our soldiers, and our leaders. We need our conservative leaders...and some of them are democrats too...to stand up for what is right and not let the liberals take God out of everything...our pledge, our money, etc. I for one like our National Anthem and do not want it to change.

 

[kisrae]

I've been away for awhile, and I have to say how upset I am to see this fighting. I hope that the consultants that I have sent to this website can look past this fighting and see what a great support this group was for me when I was starting out. We are all women and men in the business to help and support eachother....pray or don't pray just respect eachother and move on. Whatever your view on our next president elect is what it is. I feel if you want to share your feelings with someone who feels the way you do just PM them. This way hopefully we bypass this BS.

Ida

 

[DebbieSAChef]

I've been away for awhile, and I have to say how upset I am to see this fighting. I hope that the consultants that I have sent to this website can look past this fighting and see what a great support this group was for me when I was starting out. We are all women and men in the business to help and support eachother....pray or don't pray just respect eachother and move on. Whatever your view on our next president elect is what it is. I feel if you want to share your feelings with someone who feels the way you do just PM them. This way hopefully we bypass this BS.

Ida

Hello Ida,

I am sorry you have been upset with the comments and the bickering on CS lately. But to suggest that we should only correspond on important issues like politics through PM is stopping free speech. I think the information we post is a good way for readers to view both sides of the canidates and issues that are important to our lives.

When I get to know people I want to know all I can about them, not just some shallow, "Hello how are you?" type of relationship. I like to see what makes my fellow cheffers tick. I think it's healthy and a good way for us to express our feelings and opinions about things when there is conflict and different views being stated.
I'm sorry you feel that what everyone posted should just be bypassed but I actually benefited from much of the information posted. Sure there were some tempers that flared and some unkind words but that's part of life. We can't live in a bubble, we have to interact with other people even if they disagree with us.

If you don't like the political threads, it's very easy to skim through them or pass them up entirely, since they are clearly labeled as such. I think for the most part we respect one another and yes we are men and women in the business who are here to support one another. But we are also men and women in the real world where personal issues come up, God is a huge part of some of our lives, and friendships are made where there is more to talk about than PC.

I am priviledged to pray for others on here but I won't know how to pray unless we let each other know.

Debbie

 

[chefsteph07]

Very well said and I completely agree....

 

[janetupnorth]

Debbie - I agree but wasn't going to post another "opinion" today. I was enjoying the lull in politics. Anyway, I don't think we should cut the religion and politics totally either. Chef Success is a community FOR Pampered Chef Consultants, not a Community for us to just talk business or a community just for this or that. Our commonality is mainly PC.First, I don't get to know those of like mind without talking about other things.Second, we've had some great religious and other discussions that have been open, honest and learned a lot. I firmly believe this is one of the best ways to help our businesses. I don't view myself as a "salesperson". When I do a show, I am invited into a home, the most person place for most people. I am allowed to interact with family, friends, etc. I build relationships with customers. If I can't talk about and experience other topics on here, then how can I expand and grow in how I relate to customers?A lady named Anita from Midday Connection on Moody recently spoke at our Women's Retreat at Fort and she spoke about "refrigerator rights". When you first meet someone they don't have refrigerator rights...if a co-worker you just met walking into your home and poured themselves a glass of milk how would you feel? Now get to know them, have them over, make them close friends, and the refrigerator rights come. As a consultant in someone's home, they've kind of given me refrigerator rights early. I need to know what to do with them. Also on here, when I meet people and them me, I don't think we have gotten to know each other enough to share our hearts and our fridges. But through these conversations, there are a few here that have earned refrigerator rights with each other...

 

[jrstephens]

Good news in the midst of a disappointing evening.

I got this email from the American Family Association today!

Dear Debra,

No doubt, it was a disappointing night with overwhelmingly bad news. But there was some good news for those who support traditional marriage. In the states of Arizona, Florida and California voters said no to homosexual “marriage.” In fact, in the Sunshine State, 60% of the vote was needed to keep marriage only between a man and a woman, and our side was able to garner 62% of the vote.

We won in Arizona, too! This is significant because a couple of years ago the marriage amendment was defeated when the pro-homosexual marriage advocates played the fear card with senior citizens.

Finally, in California, our country’s largest and most liberal state, the citizens voted 52% to 48% to overturn the state Supreme Court’s decision to allow same-sex marriage. This is BIG news! Radical homosexual groups, Hollywood celebrities and the liberal media came together to try and defeat Proposition 8, yet the pro-family and pro-marriage citizens of California won a huge victory and, if I might add, put the arrogant California Supreme Court in its place.

Your American Family Association was deeply involved in all three challenges. We kept the people of those states informed and encouraged. In fact, AFA contributed $500,000 to help achieve the victory in California. We had been saving the money over a period of years because we knew that one day it would be needed for a fight like the one we had in California. Of course, these funds came from people like you.

So despite some discouraging news on the national front, 30 states have adopted a state constitutional amendment preserving traditional marriage since the legalization of same-sex “marriage” in Massachusetts. That is due to the hard work of people like you.

Debbie :chef:

I got this same email and was so happy with it!

Did you get the one about McDonald's stopping their support as of December and they have pulled the board member off?

 

[baychef]

Christ is still on the throne! Yes prayer is much needed right now. I love that we are a democratic nation and that the voters spoke loudly last night on who they wanted for president.
But mark my words they will regret their decision in 4 years and we will have another Republican in office.

Debbie, PLEASE I am not trying to start an argument, I just want to explain to you that I do not hate President Bush. But you can not deny that this country has so many more problems than when he was first elected. I am just disappointed that whether our president is Republican or Democrat, that so many families are experiencing the strife they are going through. The gap between the "have too much" and the "have not enough" is growing ever wider.

No political party is without error and no president has been perfect. President Bush has stengths as well as weaknesses.

I think when people think of Democrats they think of Michael Moore. I am Democrat and I voted for Obama. I can not stand Michael Moore. He exaggerates and just likes to aggrevate people. And their are many more like him. Please don't think that even a majority of Democrats are like this. We are normal Christian people too. The media focuses on the extremists.

I have seen the Civil Rights movements, I have seen this country in turmoil on so many levels. What I saw in Grant Park on Tuesday night was souls of humans seeing hope. Tears of joy. We ALL know that he will not be perfect. We ALL know that it will take time for this country to come around and get back on track with the economy.

I also see thousands of military wives and families. I deal with them in my day job and I do PC parties with them. I honor them and what their loved one is doing. I don't like war, but I understand that it seems to be part of human existence. I have had wounded soldiers come in my office and I thank them with big ole crocidile tears in my eyes!

And those republicans who thought by voting for Obama they would protest against the republican party to prove a point will be back in the republican camp stronger than ever next time around.

I have not heard one Republican politician deny that there is work to be done in their party and leaders to be developed. If John McCain ran against John Kerry 4 years ago...I would have voted for McCain then.

I pray that Obama selects Republicans for some of his cabinet positions too. We need more balance and less "them against us" thinking.

And whoever made the comment that we are going to be crazy, rebellious republicans barricaded in our basements with enough ammo to keep us safe, was WRONG. (I paraphrased) Although that can't be any crazier than the conspiracy group who think Bush bombed the Towers himself. No as Christians we are to be devoted to Christ, no matter who is in office. Remember Saul. God takes care of his people.

I so agree with your first sentence because that is an unfair statement. Someone also said that those that voted for Obama think they will have more money in their pockets and free-health care. I for one think that this is a silly statement. I do, however, believe that if government had been regulating banking just a bit more, that we wouldn't have had this forclosure nightmare and our hard earned tax dollars wouldn't be spent on bailing out banks and lining the pockets of CEO's that have written their own fat paycheck.

I have health insurance, but my parents were self employed farmers who worked hard all of their lives. They started out with a well that went dry every summer, a home with birds flying through it (it was in such bad shape) and fought for every penny they earned. I also see how in their mid 70's with health problems (and no pension) have to pay $700 and $800 once a month for prescriptions when the Medicare cap is met ($3500 and they have to pay the next $3500).

I see many hard working people having to work 2 and 3 jobs to make ends meet and have little or no health insurance. And yes, there are those who abuse the system...but turn them in folks!!! Wouldn't you turn in someone who was robbing your home?

I am a Christian, therefore I am not filled with hate, it is contrary to the image of Christ. And unlike many Bush haters, I will always show respect to the office of presidency no matter who is president. But I don't have to agree with him, and I know he will not bring change, only disaster. I hope socialism isn't looming on the horizon.

I am a Christian too and I have not been filled with hate for the last 8 years but I have been increasingly more afraid. Any man or woman who accepts the office of the presidency should be respected. I have not agreed with President Bush and I feel we are in such a disaster right now, that neither John McCain or President-Elect Obama can right all of the disaster we are currently in.

Socialism is NOT on the horizon. Just as Michael Moore's claims are exaggerated...so is this claim.

I have seen every President from John Kennedy on. I have seen the hatred for people of color and seen people of all skin colors murdered so this hatred could continue. I have seen the Vietnam war. I have seen a family friend's body kept in Hanoi and not discovered until his daughter recovered his remains near a village 25 years after his plane crashed. (his skull was never recovered) I saw this family grow up with out a father...a father who fought for all of our freedoms. I have seen Veterans treated with horrible disrespect. I have seen ecomonic hard times...waited in gas lines (could only go to a gas station on the odd or even day matching your license plate's last number).

What I saw Tuesday night, was a man that knows he can not change things overnight but a man willing to sacrifice all he can for a better world for you, me and our children. And I heard John McCain and Sarah Palin asking everyone to come together and heal this nation.

Socialism is a system in which no one owns private property and all means of production are owned and controlled by the state. This man does not stand for this.

Finally, I am not trying to play who is right and who is wrong but fear has played such a huge part of not only this campaign but the last one also. Fear is a powerful thing that can not been seen or touched but can be applied through words.

And finally, I am not picking on you, Debbie, I just so want this country to heal and come together. We don't have to agree but we have to live together and work together not just on CS, but in our communities. I hope I have not offended anyone because I value all of your opinions.

 

[kisrae]

I guess I'm off to Never Never Land, and I need to add more soap to my bubble world, with tape over my mouth.

 

[chefsteph07]

I guess I'm off to Never Never Land, and I need to add more soap to my bubble world, with tape over my mouth.

What do you mean by that?

 

[BethCooks4U]

Debbie, PLEASE I am not trying to start an argument, I just want to explain to you that I do not hate President Bush. But you can not deny that this country has so many more problems than when he was first elected. I am just disappointed that whether our president is Republican or Democrat, that so many families are experiencing the strife they are going through. The gap between the "have too much" and the "have not enough" is growing ever wider.

No political party is without error and no president has been perfect. President Bush has stengths as well as weaknesses.

I think when people think of Democrats they think of Michael Moore. I am Democrat and I voted for Obama. I can not stand Michael Moore. He exaggerates and just likes to aggrevate people. And their are many more like him. Please don't think that even a majority of Democrats are like this. We are normal Christian people too. The media focuses on the extremists.

I have seen the Civil Rights movements, I have seen this country in turmoil on so many levels. What I saw in Grant Park on Tuesday night was souls of humans seeing hope. Tears of joy. We ALL know that he will not be perfect. We ALL know that it will take time for this country to come around and get back on track with the economy.

I also see thousands of military wives and families. I deal with them in my day job and I do PC parties with them. I honor them and what their loved one is doing. I don't like war, but I understand that it seems to be part of human existence. I have had wounded soldiers come in my office and I thank them with big ole crocidile tears in my eyes!



I have not heard one Republican politician deny that there is work to be done in their party and leaders to be developed. If John McCain ran against John Kerry 4 years ago...I would have voted for McCain then.

I pray that Obama selects Republicans for some of his cabinet positions too. We need more balance and less "them against us" thinking.



I so agree with your first sentence because that is an unfair statement. Someone also said that those that voted for Obama think they will have more money in their pockets and free-health care. I for one think that this is a silly statement. I do, however, believe that if government had been regulating banking just a bit more, that we wouldn't have had this forclosure nightmare and our hard earned tax dollars wouldn't be spent on bailing out banks and lining the pockets of CEO's that have written their own fat paycheck.

I have health insurance, but my parents were self employed farmers who worked hard all of their lives. They started out with a well that went dry every summer, a home with birds flying through it (it was in such bad shape) and fought for every penny they earned. I also see how in their mid 70's with health problems (and no pension) have to pay $700 and $800 once a month for prescriptions when the Medicare cap is met ($3500 and they have to pay the next $3500).

I see many hard working people having to work 2 and 3 jobs to make ends meet and have little or no health insurance. And yes, there are those who abuse the system...but turn them in folks!!! Wouldn't you turn in someone who was robbing your home?



I am a Christian too and I have not been filled with hate for the last 8 years but I have been increasingly more afraid. Any man or woman who accepts the office of the presidency should be respected. I have not agreed with President Bush and I feel we are in such a disaster right now, that neither John McCain or President-Elect Obama can right all of the disaster we are currently in.

Socialism is NOT on the horizon. Just as Michael Moore's claims are exaggerated...so is this claim.

I have seen every President from John Kennedy on. I have seen the hatred for people of color and seen people of all skin colors murdered so this hatred could continue. I have seen the Vietnam war. I have seen a family friend's body kept in Hanoi and not discovered until his daughter recovered his remains near a village 25 years after his plane crashed. (his skull was never recovered) I saw this family grow up with out a father...a father who fought for all of our freedoms. I have seen Veterans treated with horrible disrespect. I have seen ecomonic hard times...waited in gas lines (could only go to a gas station on the odd or even day matching your license plate's last number).

What I saw Tuesday night, was a man that knows he can not change things overnight but a man willing to sacrifice all he can for a better world for you, me and our children. And I heard John McCain and Sarah Palin asking everyone to come together and heal this nation.

Socialism is a system in which no one owns private property and all means of production are owned and controlled by the state. This man does not stand for this.

Finally, I am not trying to play who is right and who is wrong but fear has played such a huge part of not only this campaign but the last one also. Fear is a powerful thing that can not been seen or touched but can be applied through words.

And finally, I am not picking on you, Debbie, I just so want this country to heal and come together. We don't have to agree but we have to live together and work together not just on CS, but in our communities. I hope I have not offended anyone because I value all of your opinions.

Ann, Thanks for posting this. You are so eloquent! Many of the thoughts you expressed are exactly what I have been struggling to say.

Thank you for being a voice of reason.

 

[jrstephens]

I guess I'm off to Never Never Land, and I need to add more soap to my bubble world, with tape over my mouth.

What do you mean by that?

I THINK she means we need to shut up but I could be wrong.

 

[gingertannery]

No, I think she's saying she needs boots. lol

Democrats HAVE been in charge for the last 2 years.. where's the help?? OK I'll answer that.. none existant.. everyone blames Bush(his hands have been tied) .. but the demos were in charge where they could do something.. so where was our help. Instead of doing something they lied and covered up the problems.. And Obama was in the middle of it all($ from Fannie and Freddie went to Obama) After the bank failed.. he hired the people responsible for the failings. I guess they needed a job. way to go Obama!!

This so called collapse of the banks is a direct result of the Clintons.. they MADE banks lend $$ to people who could not afford it. Now, I am all for people obtaining the American dream.. but let it be affordable and enduring.. many are in far worse shape for being helped.

And.. Obama is the one who started the divide among us all. And started all the lies..and refused to devulge his past.. birth certificate etc. Family members said they were present when he was born in Kenya..

McCain has always said we are all one, all Americans.

Obama also did not tell everyone that he is planning on stopping Bush's tax plan. Taxes were double when Clinton was in charge.. Bush cut taxes.. now they will go back up.. he says he won't raise taxes.. not entirely true.. in my book that is raising taxes

And several have said it will change in 4 years back to Republican.. but Obama plans on legalizing all illegals.. so they will vote for him in 4 years.

I do not condone him in any way.. his mouth is open.. he's lying. President or not.
We have had other presidents who lied regularly.. oh yes.. Bill Clinton is one.. and a democrat too.. ok.. I'm seeing a pattern.
The Clintons stole Arkansas blind before they left there.. closed many banks there too. I guess we should be thankful we only lost those banks and not more.

I'm thinking she was meaning Boots. or in a fairy world of non reality.. Could be wrong..

 

[pcchefjane]

So if someone disagrees with you they are against God? We believe in God too you know. We are also praying. Among other things, we are praying for strength and unity and that those who are unhappy with the decision of the majority find peace and assurance and that their hearts are softened.

I don't read that she said Christians would be going off...just that "some" would! Geez...

 

[cookn' katie]

I completetly agree with the statement above of Beth and Ann. We do have a right of free speech. But why not cut some slack to Obama. He will be president in January and why not give him some support. I voted for Obama and I voted for change. I, like over 55% of the population think we need a change. No president is perfect but I feel Bush had 8 years and really didn't accomplish much. We need some fresh blood in there and see if we can unite this county. We are "one nation under God" I never liked Bush but I did respect him because he was President and he deserves respect as well as Obama deserves our respect. I think if everyone tried to unite and work together we would get much further in this world! Just my opion!! Katie

 

[chefsteph07]

I completetly agree with the statement above of Beth and Ann. We do have a right of free speech. But why not cut some slack to Obama. He will be president in January and why not give him some support. I voted for Obama and I voted for change. I, like over 55% of the population think we need a change. No president is perfect but I feel Bush had 8 years and really didn't accomplish much. We need some fresh blood in there and see if we can unite this county. We are "one nation under God" I never liked Bush but I did respect him because he was President and he deserves respect as well as Obama deserves our respect. I think if everyone tried to unite and work together we would get much further in this world! Just my opion!! Katie

Ok, Katie, I guess he hasn't done THAT much ...read below...and this is just his first 4 yrs.

His level of disrespect astounds me.


WAR AGAINST TERRORISM:


In 2001, with less than a month's notice, American and British forces in Afghanistan joined with local anti-Taliban troops in an assault on the al Qaeda network and the Taliban regime that gave it safe harbor in Afghanistan.
Passage of the USA Patriot Act met one of the president's goals. This law brought down the artificial wall separating law enforcement and intelligence officers and allowed them to talk to each other as they work to prevent future attacks.
In 2002, President Bush proposed and Congress approved a single, unified Department of Homeland Security to improve protection against today's threats and be flexible enough to help meet the unknown threats of the future. By unifying over 22 agencies and offices, the president has improved the government's ability to guard U.S. borders and infrastructure and patrol the skies.
In 2003, coalition forces acted with skill and bravery to liberate the Iraqi people and remove a grave and gathering danger to America and the world.
The murderous regimes of Saddam Hussein and the Taliban are history and more than 50 million people have been liberated.

JOBS AND THE U.S. ECONOMY


Between 2000 and 2003, productivity grew at the fastest three-year rate in more than 50 years.
In September 2003, the U.S. Department of Commerce reported the lowest unemployment rate (5.4%) since October 2001.
The president's tax relief allowed families to keep more of what they earn by cutting tax rates across the board.

HELPING THE NEEDY


In 2003, President Bush announced the Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, a five-year, $15-billion initiative to turn the tide in combating the global HIV/AIDS pandemic. Just one month after Congress appropriated funds for the president's plan, $350 million was awarded to service providers for critical prevention efforts and to bring life-saving treatment to suffering people in some of the hardest-hit countries in Africa and the Caribbean.

EDUCATION REFORM


President Bush submitted his framework for education reform, No Child Left Behind (NCLB), three days after taking office and secured overwhelming bipartisan support less than a year later. NCLB represents the most significant overhaul of U.S. education policy since 1965, when the Elementary and Secondary Education Act was passed.

MAKING HEALTH CARE MORE ACCESSIBLE


In December 2003, President Bush signed legislation that makes Health Savings Accounts available to millions of Americans. Health Savings Accounts offer flexible, affordable insurance options for small businesses and individuals.
This legislation also will make prescription drug coverage available to 40 million senior citizens and people with disabilities through the Medicare healthcare system.

PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT


President Bush has committed America to meeting the challenge of long-term global climate change by reducing the ratio of greenhouse gas emissions to economic output, or greenhouse gas intensity, by 18 percent by 2012 compared to 2002.
In December 2003, President Bush signed legislation implementing key provisions of his Healthy Forests Initiative. The President's initiative is helping restore the health and vitality of forests and rangelands, and helping reduce the threat of catastrophic wildfires.

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[cookn' katie]

When I speak of things that he has/hasn't done,
He has also lead us into war that now even his right hand man, Colin Powell, thinks we went in wrongly, our nation is at one of the highest unemployment rates ever, with it only getting higher and higher thru the rest of the season, We had a surplus of money when he came into office and now we are in a huge debt. And explain to me with all these tax cuts, why Warren Buffett, a multi millionarre, pays a less percentage of taxes than his own secretary. Hurricane Katrina was a huge mess. And speaking of education, why was Texas # 49 in education when he was govenor? I am not a die-hard republican or a democrat. I have always stated that if Colin Powell ran, I would vote for him in a second. I do respect many republicans. I really respect many things about McCain and I hope that Obama picks him to do something with foreign or securtiy affairs. I think he is a wonderful leader, unfortuatly he ran an uphill battle his whole campaign. This year I just think it is a time for a change. We can't keep lossing men in Iraq, we can't keep letting the DOW drop, we can't keep lossing jobs. I would think any American out there right now can't be happy with the way the economy is. Many people are losing homes and jobs. I don't know if Obama is the answer either, but I think we need some fresh blood in there. I think we need a change. I don't think the US has alot further until we hit rock bottom. Why not let someone else give it a try? I know everyone has their right to free speech and I respect your opinion. But why not respect our future president and give him a honest try?

 

[janetupnorth]

Change was voted for in 2006, look what we got! Not looking forward to more change like we've gotten the last couple years.On that note, no one who disagrees with the policies going into place has said they won't respect Obama and give him a try. You can still do that while discussing policy issues.I just get tired of people blaming current situations on 1 person. Don't people realize how government works?

 

[chefsteph07]

Katie, I do agree w/ some of your points and I think you have an open mind about things...

I DO agree w/ you on the fact that we have to take a "wait and see" attitude when it comes our Pres Elect. I am holding my breath. I am hoping and praying that he does the best for this country. I hope that he keeps in mind that he has a young family and that the choices he makes will affect his children in the future as well.

I think it would be a great idea to appoint McCain to some position or as an advisor...that would be wonderful.

I also do think that as Obama is being briefed on alot of things from Intel that pulling out of Iraq might be a change of heart for him in the grand scheme of things... There are so many things that the American public does not know regarding things of that nature, and I fear that he made a promise to those who voted for him on that issue and he isn't going to be able to do what he says...it's not so easy to just "bring em home"...

 

[janetupnorth]

Steph - I agree it will be interesting to see what he will do. I too do NOT think he'll keep all those campaign promises...he just can't. ...and until elected he can't be privy to all that is happening. There are deeper issues than all of us know.We just have to pray that he will make wise decisions throughout the whole process.

 

[jrstephens]

I think people tend to forget that the President's policies cannot come into play without the approval of Congress.

I think that is why so many things get blamed or so much hope gets put on the President or President Elect.

He is powerless in a lot of things without the support of Congress.

And I agree that I and we all owe respect to the Office of the Presidency but that does not mean I have to like or support the beliefs of the one holding office.

And our county is a long way from respecting the Office though. If there was proper respect for the Office then shows and specials like SNL would not have such high ratings.

 

[cookn' katie]

I completely agree. Politicians say what we want to hear. I don't think we can just one day ship all of our guys home. I think that would ruin everything that has gotten accomplished over there. I don't know what the answer is. I hate to see the US overseeing everything over there but I don't know how to get out now that we are there. The whole war issue is so complex. I have to applaud anyone who would want to run for that office right now. I think we as a nation have alot of work ahead of us.
I like McCain alot and I do believe in alot of his values. I tend to me 1/2 democrat and 1/2 republican. Why can't the Independent ever be a normal person??????

 

[PamperedCaniac]

Debbie -

I agree but wasn't going to post another "opinion" today. I was enjoying the lull in politics.

Anyway, I don't think we should cut the religion and politics totally either. Chef Success is a community FOR Pampered Chef Consultants, not a Community for us to just talk business or a community just for this or that. Our commonality is mainly PC.

First, I don't get to know those of like mind without talking about other things.

Second, we've had some great religious and other discussions that have been open, honest and learned a lot. I firmly believe this is one of the best ways to help our businesses. I don't view myself as a "salesperson". When I do a show, I am invited into a home, the most person place for most people. I am allowed to interact with family, friends, etc. I build relationships with customers. If I can't talk about and experience other topics on here, then how can I expand and grow in how I relate to customers?

A lady named Anita from Midday Connection on Moody recently spoke at our Women's Retreat at Fort and she spoke about "refrigerator rights". When you first meet someone they don't have refrigerator rights...if a co-worker you just met walking into your home and poured themselves a glass of milk how would you feel? Now get to know them, have them over, make them close friends, and the refrigerator rights come. As a consultant in someone's home, they've kind of given me refrigerator rights early. I need to know what to do with them. Also on here, when I meet people and them me, I don't think we have gotten to know each other enough to share our hearts and our fridges. But through these conversations, there are a few here that have earned refrigerator rights with each other...

Agree! I love talking Religion and I enjoy Politics too! I love spreading God's word any chance I can get! I feel if others do not like it then they can read a different thread, and I am not saying that is to be a smart alleic either!

 

[baychef]

This is not a slam against President Bush, but it is with any policy. There are those that benefit and there those that may not. And there may be flaws. There are mandates from the Federal and State government that I have to follow in my job...then the funding is either not there or cut. Some of these changes are good, but they require spending more or purchasing more expensive goods. I work in a school but am not involved with the education end very much. I have heard that the No Child Left Behind had good intensions but it came with no funding.

When I was growing up, we had a few standardized tests. Some Federal and some New York State. Now, these teachers literally teach for the next test. It is frustrating to them and it makes even them wonder what the kids are learning.

Also, President Bush can not take a ton of credit for creating jobs in 2000 when he was just sworn in as President. Just as President-Elect Obama can not be blamed for the ecomony right now. There was a report today that stated that 1.2 million jobs have been lost in 2008 alone.

This, to me is politics aside...GM is almost out of cash. My first reaction is...see if any of the top CEO's of this company can live without some of their salary this year? And another that Ford is going to ask for almost 50 billion from the government? Something is seriously wrong folks and it is going to take working together to solve it.

And with the statement is that Congress has to approve of whatever any President has put forth. This is true, however, the majority has been Republican on both sides until the last couple of years and then only the Senate had a democratic majority.

I heard one commentator say how they longed for the days in the 50's and 60's where Republican and Democrats worked together for the good of the nation. Obama may not change Washington because Washington does not want to change. They all want to be re-elected.

 

[Shawnna]

President Bush gave a lot of that "surplus" money that the government supposedly had back to the people it belonged too...the American taxpayers. Just because Mr. Powell now says the war was a mistake doesn't mean that it is. He has just flip-flopped his opinion during the last month or so...before that he stood firmly on Bush's side. My personal oppinion is that he flip-flopped for a reason that has nothing to do with whether or not he think Obama is the best man for the job of president...but I'm not getting into that. A lot of promises will be broken because the President cannot keep all the promises he makes...nor can any politician. I can't believe that people really think that the President is going to pay their mortgage and car payment...but that is what they are saying, because that is what he promised. Get real! My personal thought is that everyone should pay the same percentage of taxes, no matter what you make. Why should someone who works their tails off to make a million have to pay a bigger percent than the person who makes 20,000. The amount of taxes payed will still be more. And the reason many people are losing their homes and cars is because they bought one they really couldn't afford in the first place. If you can only afford a 50,000 home don't try to buy a 200,000 dollar home...you will eventually not be able to make the payments. People need to get back to basic living and stop "keeping up with the jones'" and live within their means. We don't need 5 credit cards. And we don't need a 60,000 dollar car. It always amazes me when people buy cars that cost more than my house...lol I don't want a car that bad.

I personally am scared of what is coming. Bible prophecy is being fulfilled every day. We are getting closer and closer to one world government, one world money, and one world religion. It is scary because you know you are going to have to live through it and stand firm, but then again the Bible says when we begin to see these things we should "look up for our redemption draweth nigh".

 

[gingertannery]

Awesome Shawna!! Most don't realize the housing failure is from the Clinton reign.. he forced banks to lend to people who were deemed unable to afford what they were purchasing. Kinda backfired...

Most don't understand that the taxes were double when the Clintons were in charge.. could be why there was a surplus. And Obama will stop that tax relief (Bush reduced it by 1/2) as soon as he is in office... hence all taxes will go up. Yours included. Taxes were exactly twice what they are now.. He stated at first he would only raise the taxes on those that make 250,000.00 and it is already coming down.. last I heard it is now anyone who makes 120,000.00 or more And it is suppose to come down much more.

I know we are supposed to honor the president... but that has been severely compromised with Bush already. BUT...I will never support someone who condones killing the unborn..not going to happen and I am proud to state that. Stem cell research will begin as soon as he takes office as stated today in the news.

In church today.. it stated.. Corinthians 3:9c-11, 16 -17
Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person: for the temple of God, which you are, is holy.
Now I know Obama is not killing these babies with his own hands.. but he is allowing it to happen by his choices. Just like if anyone was to assist a murderer.. they would be just as guilty. These babies do not have a voice.. they need others to speak up for them.. and I will always. God's law is simple.. Thou shalt not kill. No fine print there saying.. unless you don't want that baby. It is simple and straight forward. I worry about anyone who does not respect our most precious assets.. our children. He gets no support from me. Pond scum..
And Obama is the one who split America.. McCain always talked about us as Americans... Obama is the one who drew the line in the sand talking like the republicans were wrong.. and were different.
And he is planning on legalizing all the illegals.. we can just support them too. He wants their vote in 4 years.
I suggest you make sure you are good with your creator.. anyone who reads the bible and knows the bible is scared and knows times are near. I hear it from many.

Bush did so much when he could.. it will take everything crumbling to remember how good we had it. Yes times have been tough.. and it is because of Clinton..
We are always cyclical.. we have the Republicans in the office and get complacent.. then we vote in a democrat and then remember why we voted the republican in, in the first place.