My DH recently discovered from coworkers that Apple sells refurbished products, including the ipads. You can sometimes get an ipad that normally sells for $399(16gig ipad2) for $319. They are refurbs, but apparently that means typically the ones someone brought in becuase of cracked glass or something similar and got replacements, etc. they have one year warranties and new batteries.Thought I would share.Refurbished Apple iPadOr Google "refurbished ipad" and select the apple.com site, I think it was the first one.They arent always in stock, so you have to watch them. And they have different ones, so you can sometimes get one with more space for the same as a new one with just 16g for example. Right now, they dont have the 16g second gen ipad, but they have other things (different prices). So like our outlet, you just have to watch it.