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BethCooks4U · Nov 14, 2007

Vent - CSI am seriously considering not going onto CS anymore. I get so upset when I see some of the ways they try to beat the system and cheat HO/get more out of a show.

They tell each other that it's okay to lie and bend the rules to suit themselves and then quote scripture in their sig line.:bugeye:

I am not perfect. I like a deal when I can get it. But our company is so generous to us all that I hate to see people stretching things like this and calling it okay.

I am not black and white, I do see gray areas but new consultants don't need to be TOLD that it's okay to make up names, etc. :yuck:

Sorry, but I wanted to get this off my chest. I probably will keep going to CS and remind them from time to time what a generous company PC is and that if they follow the guidelines they will be rewarded. It's like a trainwreck - just can't look away. lol

Mel5497 · Nov 14, 2007

{{{hugs}}} Beth. I think I know which posting you are referring to. (I gasped a little too that she so blatantly threw it out there.) I just went and looked for it, to make a gentle 'policy reminder' post (very gentle...since I am not completely black and white either), but couldn't find it.

We can teach our team members how to fully understand and leverage show benefits, but that doesn't mean condoning outright cheating. Thankfully, in the big picture, very few consultants (and above) truly abuse the system. (Or at least that's what I think

)

chefkathy · Nov 14, 2007

I don't know which post you're referring too as I don't read a whole lot over there anymore.

But I'll join your vent. At our cluster meeting Mon night another consultant was trying to tell one of my new consultants how she could split her first shows into two shows (as long as they're at least $300) in order to earn more PC $$ and qualify faster. It did nothing but totally confuse my consultant not to mention that it is blatantly unethical!

DebPC · Nov 14, 2007

I agree with all of you. Pampered Chef is so good to us. Plus as directors with the company- the company looks to us to lead our teams ethically by advice and example.

BethCooks4U · Nov 14, 2007

I just noticed that our thread titles show up on the sidebar of CS. That's fine and I realize it's to entice members to join us when/if they are directors BUT I thought this was a place we could safely vent sideways or up. If they can read some of what we say then we have to be more careful about our venting.

Am I wrong? Is there a way we can have a section of this site to discuss team issues and such and not have it seen at all over there? I know, we should be positive and uplifting but sometimes each of us has to vent so we can work things through and I think we are developing some great friendships and trust here...

pamela · Nov 14, 2007

I don't know which thread on CS you are referring to Beth, but I, too, have stopped recommending the site to my new consultants. I think there is just too much negativity there as well as too many confusing ideas. It hink it is a good idea to let my new consultants get a few shows under their belts rather tahn have them see all of the "quick" schemes you can find on CS. It is kind of like a diet-there is no easy way to do PC other than the way this wonderful company has already told us about!
I have had to limit my time on the site, too. I am currently just signing on once a day, acnning the new post thread ltitles and if I see a response to a question, I look. I just don't like the attitude that is coming from there lately.

many hugs coming your way and I hope you feel better now that you have vented!~:candyheart:

kcjodih · Nov 14, 2007

Beth I have brought up the issue of our threads showing on CS too. Greg told me that they don't get our user names, but I still feel that it isn't as "safe" of a place to vent as I had hoped. I also agree about the policy bending and negativity. I haven't really refered anyone to CS since the big blow up.

BethCooks4U · Nov 14, 2007

Because of all the negativity and shady techniques suggested there, I no longer refer my consultants to CS until they are a bit seasoned and then I tell them not to believe everything they read and to check with me if it sounds different than their Business Guide or information they have gotten from their director. Most of my team also work other jobs and (unlike Ann

) cannot be on the computer during work and don't have time to be on a site like that anyway. They depend on me and the PC website for their info and such.

Too bad. It's a great resource and sharing idea. Of course, I do share a lot of things I have gotten from there with my team so they do reap the benefits. I am finding, though, that THIS forum has quickly become so more worth my time.

Greg & Deb, I am SOOOO thankful to you both for providing CS for consultants and this site for directors! It truely has been a blessing being part of these communities. We complain and filter but we do love and appreciate you and get so much more out of the sites than the negative can ever come near. ...That's why we are still here!

cmdtrgd · Nov 14, 2007

I like CS for the fun items, for the recources and for some of the people. There are others that just rub me wrong! I even have someone on my ignore list - never thought that would happen! Anyhoo, as for splitting shows, it is ethical for a CATALOG show and if the CONSULTANT is host. It isn't if it is a live show and/or if someone is else is the host. It is basically taking away what they earned so the consultant can earn something more!! As for hosting your own show - THERE IS A BUTTON IN PP FOR IT!!! Sorry, but it irked me that new consultants are taught that HO frowns on THAT, but not on cheating the system!Now, I do admit that my 10 year old niece has hosted a show and gotten free stuff - but she really did get the orders for me!!!I also have a strong recruit lead who doesn't have much in the way of support or the whole $155 to pay for the kit. I have a catalog show going. I told her I would put her name on the show if she were to get it to $400 or more so she could use the FPV towards her kit.Things like this are acceptable - just follow the rules!!!I will be posting some of my post in CS.

finley1991 · Nov 14, 2007

I agree Beth. I get upset with the unethical posts and the quoting of scripture in the signature line... seems like a bit of a conflict to me!

I got spanked by a post the other day... someone was complaining about HO (again) and I made a suggestion that she might try and she posted back that I was calling her dumb. Making a suggestion = someone is dumb? I don't get it and certainly didn't call her taht

I'm not sure what's going on over there but it seems to me that a lot of people are:
1. being a little too sensitive
2. not wanting to take any personal responsibility for their businesses when there is a problem
3. not contacting HO about problems and going to CS instead to see what they can work out in lieu of calling HO or before calling HO

Okay... enough venting... have a show to get to!

dannyzmom · Nov 14, 2007

finley1991 said:
I agree Beth. I get upset with the unethical posts and the quoting of scripture in the signature line... seems like a bit of a conflict to me!

I got spanked by a post the other day... someone was complaining about HO (again) and I made a suggestion that she might try and she posted back that I was calling her dumb. Making a suggestion = someone is dumb? I don't get it and certainly didn't call her taht

I'm not sure what's going on over there but it seems to me that a lot of people are:
1. being a little too sensitive
2. not wanting to take any personal responsibility for their businesses when there is a problem
3. not contacting HO about problems and going to CS instead to see what they can work out in lieu of calling HO or before calling HO

Okay... enough venting... have a show to get to!

I totally agree - I have gotten to where I have stopped posting gentle reminders of poliies because I have gotten tired of seeing Beth get bashed everytime she gently points someone in a more ethical direction. I don't visit CS as much as I used to to anymore and I, too, have stopped referring my new consultants there

Good luck at your show tonight Colleen!

BethCooks4U · Nov 14, 2007

dannyzmom said:
I totally agree - I have gotten to where I have stopped posting gentle reminders of poliies because I have gotten tired of seeing Beth get bashed everytime she gently points someone in a more ethical direction. I don't visit CS as much as I used to to anymore and I, too, have stopped referring my new consultants there

Good luck at your show tonight Colleen!

Yeah, well, I can't keep my nose out of it.

dannyzmom · Nov 14, 2007

bethcooks4u said:
Yeah, well, I can't keep my nose out of it.

Oh as if I can?? LOL
So far I've not stumbled upon the thread you're all referring to -- but ya'll know, no matter how I try, I'll jump into the melee - LOL

finley1991 · Nov 14, 2007

THANKS! I did have a great show - $1200!!!!!

chefkathy · Nov 14, 2007

I had a $1200 show tonight, too, Colleen!

Woo hoo for us!!!

chefkathy · Nov 14, 2007

finley1991 said:
I'm not sure what's going on over there but it seems to me that a lot of people are:
...
3. not contacting HO about problems and going to CS instead to see what they can work out in lieu of calling HO or before calling HO

This one irritates me the most. We have a business binder, a consultant website FULL of info, AND a toll free number for this very reason!!!!

When consultants call me to ask something, I ask them "where do you think you could find this information?" so that they learn to find things themselves!

DebPC · Nov 15, 2007

Whoo Hoo! Congrats on great shows you two!

BethCooks4U · Nov 15, 2007

ohhh! And he even moved this thread to the lock box already! Greg's the man! :love0010:

pamela · Nov 15, 2007

OMG! I found the thread you were refering to Beth and I about peed my pants! A cat????? Have people lost their minds??? I'm thinking thier souls can't be too far behind!

dannyzmom · Nov 15, 2007

chefmeg said:
OMG! I found the thread you were refering to Beth and I about peed my pants! A cat????? Have people lost their minds??? I'm thinking thier souls can't be too far behind!

Oh man...I STILL haven't found the thread...would someone clue me in...what's the title of the thread (oy, as if I need a distraction right now???)

finley1991 · Nov 15, 2007

DebbieJ said:
I had a $1200 show tonight, too, Colleen!

Woo hoo for us!!!

WOO-HOO DEB!!!!

finley1991 · Nov 15, 2007

dannyzmom said:
Oh man...I STILL haven't found the thread...would someone clue me in...what's the title of the thread (oy, as if I need a distraction right now???)

yeah, I totally have to know too... I need some entertainment this morning!

finley1991 · Nov 15, 2007

DebbieJ said:
When consultants call me to ask something, I ask them "where do you think you could find this information?" so that they learn to find things themselves!

After endlessly complaining to my mom about my consultants calling and asking me things that they should be able to find out, this is what she told me to and it works like a charm!

"WHERE HAVE YOU ALREADY LOOKED FOR THE ANSWER SO I DON'T TELL YOU SOMETHING YOU'VE ALREAYD TRIED." Since they know I will ask them, they NEVER call me and say they haven't tried to find it somewhere!

BethCooks4U · Nov 15, 2007

finley1991 said:
After endlessly complaining to my mom about my consultants calling and asking me things that they should be able to find out, this is what she told me to and it works like a charm!

"WHERE HAVE YOU ALREADY LOOKED FOR THE ANSWER SO I DON'T TELL YOU SOMETHING YOU'VE ALREAYD TRIED." Since they know I will ask them, they NEVER call me and say they haven't tried to find it somewhere!

Your mom is a smart woman! Thanks for sharing!

finley1991 · Nov 15, 2007

Yes, my mom is the best and I'm so lucky to have her!

pamela · Nov 15, 2007

dannyzmom said:
Oh man...I STILL haven't found the thread...would someone clue me in...what's the title of the thread (oy, as if I need a distraction right now???)[/QUOTE

look for the thread titled "How Do You Do It"

it is really entertaining once you get over the shock of it!

chefkathy · Nov 15, 2007

Okay just found it and responded so it should come up if you click New Posts.

dannyzmom · Nov 15, 2007

Well, I couldn't help myself - I jumped in. I am cranky. I had my mammogram today and my boobs are sore. So I took it out on the original poster...not nice, I know...

Mel5497 · Nov 15, 2007

I thought your post was great carolyn. I suspect there are alot of consultants on CS that are cheering the response the original post generated.

[And just to keep my name clean...the gray areas I referred to in my earlier post are: allowing hosts to replace lost bookings (or helping her to) and leveraging unused host benefts (after asking their permission).] :angel:

pamperedbecky · Nov 15, 2007

GREAT $1200 shows both of you!!! Holy cow. I'm hoping for a couple of those this month! If not, I don't even think I'll make it to the $3000 SAT level.

Anyway, I'm rarely on CS. I am intrigued now and do want to go find that thread, so I'm sure I'll spend some time on there today....AFTER I get packed up for my show tonight. That'll be my reward.

I do come on here much more because the information is more relevant (and without a bunch of extra "fluff" and complaining). I think it's helpful to have a place for consultants to vent (as in CS and here too) but it can get pretty out of hand there. Especially when some "veterans" try to offer their two cents. I don't really mention CS to my new consultants at this point. It's been a while. I LOVE the information and resources there and I'll pass along what might be helpful, but sometimes it can be too overwhelming. I remember posting my opinion about this over there a while ago and being chided by someone in their post that they thought it was completely unfair that I'd keep the resource of CS from them, that it was equivalent to withholding some training materials.

Oh well. I'm sure I'll be checking it out over there later!!

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