Is there too much emphasis on recruitment in the direct sales industry?

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Discussion Overview

The thread explores participants' feelings regarding the perceived increased emphasis on recruitment within the direct sales industry, particularly in relation to Pampered Chef. Various experiences and opinions are shared about how this focus impacts their business practices and personal goals.

Discussion Character

  • Opinion-based
  • Anecdotal
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, identifying as a consultant, expresses discomfort with the increased pressure to recruit, feeling it shifts focus away from the products that initially attracted them to the company.
  • Another participant shares their experience of not feeling pressured by leadership and emphasizes the importance of personal choice in pursuing recruitment incentives.
  • Several users mention that while they may not personally enjoy recruiting, they recognize the opportunity it provides for others and the potential benefits for their own business.
  • One participant notes that the emphasis on recruiting may stem from a desire to expand the consultant base to better serve the market, rather than from greed.
  • Another participant highlights that they have noticed a significant increase in recruiting incentives over the past year, aligning their focus with this trend.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the new requirement to recruit in order to achieve incentive levels, feeling it undermines their autonomy in running their business.
  • A new consultant shares their struggle with the recruiting requirement, questioning its fairness and expressing concern about the motivations behind it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Views differ among participants regarding the emphasis on recruitment, with some expressing support for it as a means to help others, while others feel it detracts from the core values of the business. No clear consensus emerges on whether the recruitment focus is beneficial or detrimental.

Contextual Notes

Participants share a range of experiences, from long-time consultants to newer members, reflecting diverse perspectives on the evolving dynamics of recruitment within the company.

Who May Find This Useful

Consultants navigating the balance between recruitment and product focus may find the shared experiences and viewpoints relevant to their own business strategies.

MaddyandOwensMom
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there is a much greater focus on recruitment then there was just a year ago? I think I've read somewhere here that others feel that way as well. First I want to say that I obviously understand that recruitment is a way to build your team and advance if that is what you want to acheive and it's great that so many are good at it. However, one of the reasons I joined this company is that I liked that the emphasis (or so I precieved) was about the fabulous products. I have lately been feeling so much added pressure to recruit (not from my upline-from HO). I'm really just trying to get more shows in a month and learn to pick up the phone more. Those are my current goals. I went to a conference yesterday and did not leave feeling inspired. I felt very overwhealmed that this is where the empahasis is now. I really thought that maybe if I put my mind to it, I could hit Level 1 this year, but the recruitment requirement bothers me. It's doable, but at the same time it seems like it takes the company in a different direction. I've always been leery of the recruitment element because of a bad experience with andother DS company where it was all about that (lots of upline pressure). I'm not against it, but I'm not exactly comfortable with it either and I really don't like the shift in focus that seems to be happening.

Any thoughts?
Jessica
 
I've seen people cringe...it doesn't really bother me, but I'm very much a "do my own thing" type of person. I pick and choose what incentives I want and then shoot for them and the rest I let go by.

Being secure in how you are running your business helps. I don't let my ED or HO pressure me in any way. My ED keeps telling me that I'm great director material and she'd love to see me promote and that she is there when I want to make that my goal. She then doesn't pressure me after that.
 
I don't personally care for the approach from HO, but I do believe in the opportunity. (I can't imagine going back to the life I had before becoming a consultant and a director!). If the recruiting emails bother you, just delete them....but don't deny someone else the opportunity to consider this business. Be genuine and share what you do like about being a consultant.

I don't think it is greed motivating HO to increase the recruiting push, but simply a matter of numbers. At Leadership, Jean Jonas commmented how great it would be if Pampered Chef products were in every home. We have an awesome collection of products only available thru consultants. There is no way our current number of consultants can support the whole US population...hence the call for more consultants. That's my thoughts anyway.

I don't like 'recruiting', but I do like sharing...both the business and the products. Wouldn't it be great if PC products were in every home? :)
 
Legacy, that was a good post. Thanks for the perspective. I am not bothered by HO's focus on recruiting because I'd love to do just that.
 
I don't think there is a "push" for recruiting, there is a focus on helping others achieve their dreams. Leadership 07 was when they announced the new kit, New Consultant Program and 3-2-1. It was all about selling the dream, not the kit. I can't tell you how many times I tried to sell the kit and hope that the new recruit would keep up with the business, or even do the first 4-6 shows. I have an awesome opportunity to work closely with a NED on a monthly/weekly basis. She has 1500 people under her at any time. Last year over 500 people joined her downline. Yes, some leave, some come back, some stay for the long haul, but each one has the opportunity to achieve what they want. Just another perspective.
 
Yes Kate! That's been my philosophy. We're not recruiting. We're letting others see what a great opportunity the Pampered Chef has to offer. Even if you don't want directorship, who wouldn't want extra % for just helping someone else find their dream. I'm tired of hearing people whine about recruiting. Think about how Pampered Chef has changed your life. Wouldn't you want the same for someone else? and you get 25 free catalogs, points when they qualify and a new friend.
 
lockhartkitchen said:
and you get.... a new friend.

yes, yes, yes! what a nice change from other business environments!
 
I've heard this "recruiting push" thing being tossed around a lot since Leadership. And honestly, most of who have complained (I'm not saying ALL, just most) about the recruiting requirement for Level One are ones who have, in the past, come no where near earning the points needed to achieve it in the first place. I'm looking at this as working smarter, not harder! As an FD, when you have 2, you'll earn about $40 more each month with your FD overrides. Most will say, "Well, that's not much." Maybe... but if I saw $40 on the sidewalk, I would pick it up! My first commission check when I promoted to director was DOUBLE what I would have earned as a consultant. Anyone want to trade commission checks with me?Plus, if a consultant is doing enough shows to earn level one without recruiting, (doing the math, it's roughly submitting $2k each month), the statistics show that that consultant would be in front of a lot of people that month, and even if she doesn't share the opportunity, there most likely will be someone who approaches the consultant and says, "I want to do this." Will the consultant turn her away and say, "I don't recruit."? Maybe yes, maybe no...HO is never out to get us... they are always doing what is in our best interest and they are giving us the opportunity (and showing us how!!!) to earn more money? Why is that a bad thing?
 
I do think it's interesting....I've never seen so many recruiting incentives in my 6 years of being a consultant, as there have been in the past year. I do like them though; because my focus has turned to recruiting. I do hope the main focus stays on the products, and family mealtime.
Leggy & Kate; good posts!
 
I do not like the added recruiting requirement to the incentive levels. If this is my business my way, I should not have to rely ion another person in order to achieve levels...and yet I do. I prefer the way it was, offering reduced points to those who choose to recruit. Now, I am required to recruit to earn the fabulous trips or merchandise. A subtle difference, but it is there.

I have had people ask me, "Do you have to recruit to earn the trips?" Before, I could honestly say, "No, and that is great about this company. I can choose how to run my business."

Now, no one get on me about how I can still choose to not emphasize recruiting, I know that. It is just for all the exclaiming "Your business, your way", they just took one of the ways out.

Robin
 
I will admit that it's tough for me as a new consultant to get on the recruiting bandwagon just yet. I don't think it's fair that I have to have someone under me to earn this year. Will it happen? Probably, but I think it's a bit unfair that I need to do it to earn Level 1.

And I know I'm new here, but I'm a bit surprised that some of the people here aren't realizing that a new recruit = $$$ to HO. Sure, I know that they do care about helping people realize their dreams, but bottom line is they're around to make money (as is any company, it's not a dig on PC) and that's they're main goal.

I'm sure I'll get some backlash, but I wanted to throw in my 2 cents as a new-ish Consultant.
 
finley1991 said:
I've heard this "recruiting push" thing being tossed around a lot since Leadership. And honestly, most of who have complained (I'm not saying ALL, just most) about the recruiting requirement for Level One are ones who have, in the past, come no where near earning the points needed to achieve it in the first place.

I'm looking at this as working smarter, not harder! As an FD, when you have 2, you'll earn about $40 more each month with your FD overrides. Most will say, "Well, that's not much." Maybe... but if I saw $40 on the sidewalk, I would pick it up! My first commission check when I promoted to director was DOUBLE what I would have earned as a consultant. Anyone want to trade commission checks with me?

Plus, if a consultant is doing enough shows to earn level one without recruiting, (doing the math, it's roughly submitting $2k each month), the statistics show that that consultant would be in front of a lot of people that month, and even if she doesn't share the opportunity, there most likely will be someone who approaches the consultant and says, "I want to do this." Will the consultant turn her away and say, "I don't recruit."? Maybe yes, maybe no...

HO is never out to get us... they are always doing what is in our best interest and they are giving us the opportunity (and showing us how!!!) to earn more money? Why is that a bad thing?
I think that's a rather naively idealistic statement. TPC is now owned by a bottom-line driven conglomerate and management doesn't do anything that isn't in the best interest of the bottom line for the company. In fact, I would bet the push for recruiting did not come from TPC but from some consultant at Berkshire-Hathaway.

Now, in most cases, what's good for consultants is good for the company but vice-versa is not always so. I've been pointing out since NC that the push on recruiting is eerily similar to Amway and a little scary, IMHO.

Yes, recruiting is a way to build a team and you are correct, it is also a way to increase a consultant's income. Is that a bad thing? In some cases, it might just be.

We all have different reasons for joining and belonging, and we all have different goals and desires. Not everyone aspires to be a director and a "one size fits all" philosophy just isn't a good idea, at least, in the long run.

Some people are not comfortable recruiting, and maybe they will not be comfortable being a manager. If forced to recruit without the real desire to do so, the result could be disillusioned recruits who leave as potential detractors to the opportunity.

I think there is a way to make this work, though. I'd like to see a way for someone to recruit and earn the perks that go with it, but then have the ability to pass the recruit to a director who loves to be a manager. The result could be a win-win deal for the recruiter, the director and the company, but more importantly, to the recruit.

Just my viewpoint.
 
I made level 1 last year in my first year of business. I wouldn't have made it if they had the recruiting requirement. I have had a few fence sitters but no one wanted to sign up yet. I was upset with the new requirement at first because it makes you have to recruit and I know plenty of consultant who don't want to recruit. But if it's part of the requirement you bet I'm going to recruit this year. I will not get enough points to qualify and not earn any level because I couldn't recruit.
 
i definitely feel there is a strong push from HO to recruit. for me personally - it doesn't bother me for the sheer fact that i am not actively recruiting nor am i trying to reach certain goals for trips and rewards - so i don't feel the crunch so to speak. BUT i do not like how all our monthly meetings have been focused on recruiting. they used to be inspiring and interesting and useful - now the focus is getting recruits. i have stopped going to my meetings which is sad - but it just felt like a waste of time. if i were into recruiting - then this would be helpful - but i am not. i just love the products and cooking and talking about how to use pc - so that is what i will continue to do and hope that pc does not get a pushy reputation that affects the greater good of it.
 
Maybe I am naive. I have a pretty successful business so does being naive really matter? I guess I'm just not the paranoid type. And yes, HO is out to make money, but in the same respect, aren't we doing this to make money as well? I know people do this for lots of different reasons, but would we really do this if we weren't compensated for it?Either way it doesn't matter I guess. Everyone is going to feel the way they feel regardless.
 
I do feel that PC has pushed recruiting more lately. Does it bother me? No. I think that the way that PC does it is nice. It isn't in our face and not overbearing.

I know that last week I went to another DS meeting. OMG!! is all I have to say. The way they are upfront and pushy about recruiting really drove me away, not just from the DS opportunity but from the product as well. As soon as everyone found out I was a PC consultant everyone and I mean everyone was on me like a bee on honey (Consultants and directors!) about their opportunity and how it was so much better than PC. It made my head spin!!! I was not the only guest at this meeting either and I thought it was even more tacky that they were trying to get us to purchase their product while we were there.

I know this much about PC, we are not overly pushy, we are NOT in people's faces, and we are NOT tacky.

Sorry just needed to add my two cents. :chef:
 
I feel that I have enough trouble booking my own shows, and making sure they're successfull at that. Now in order to even earn Level 1 I have to depend on someone else and encourage them to book and be successful. I would love to earn level 1,2,3 and so on, but I have to do this at my own pace without giving in to some sort of pressure that isn't me.
 
heather223 said:
I know that last week I went to another DS meeting.

What is DS?
 
daniellemorgan said:
What is DS?

DS is Direct Selling. Sorry should have clarified that! :)
 
heather223 said:
DS is Direct Selling. Sorry should have clarified that! :)

That's okay. I don't know what most of the abbreviations people use on here mean:) For instance, DD, DS, DH ???? :confused:
 
I think those are all "dear" or "darling" husband, son and daughter...i think
 
daniellemorgan said:
That's okay. I don't know what most of the abbreviations people use on here mean:) For instance, DD, DS, DH ???? :confused:

Dear Daughter/Son/Husband
 
It's no secret I'm against the recruiting requirement. Not because I don't, haven't or can't recruit but simply because it gives those who don't, for whatever reason, no chance to earn anything. There is absolutely nothing for the hobby or part time consultant to work towards. For established consultants who have a customer base, it may or may not be that big a deal. For new consultants just coming into this business, it's extremely hard to get that incentive. There are alot of ifs when you first start and it's not something where you can just immediately sell a couple of thousand a month. Especially with the economy right now, sales are hard. People are cancelling shows. Some won't say it but my guess is it's partly because of income. When you have to decide between housing, food and gas, PC products don't stand a chance. HO basically left us newbies out in the cold with this one. Whether they're in it to make money, help us or whatever, it's discouraging to be told you can run it your own way and then be given incentives you have little chance of achieving. When I was recruited I was told about all the great trips and other incentives. No recruiting was required. I felt like it was something that was reasonably attainable. Now that recruiting is required, it almost makes you feel like you were mislead. I won't give up on it because I love it and the products but this has a tendency to curb your enthusiasm. JMO
 
daniellemorgan said:
That's okay. I don't know what most of the abbreviations people use on here mean:) For instance, DD, DS, DH ???? :confused:
Here ya go. I just bumped The Acronym Thread for you.

Now you can find out what an Easy Accident Decorator is.
 
redsoxgirl said:
I will admit that it's tough for me as a new consultant to get on the recruiting bandwagon just yet. I don't think it's fair that I have to have someone under me to earn this year. Will it happen? Probably, but I think it's a bit unfair that I need to do it to earn Level 1.

And I know I'm new here, but I'm a bit surprised that some of the people here aren't realizing that a new recruit = $$$ to HO. Sure, I know that they do care about helping people realize their dreams, but bottom line is they're around to make money (as is any company, it's not a dig on PC) and that's they're main goal.

I'm sure I'll get some backlash, but I wanted to throw in my 2 cents as a new-ish Consultant.
Isn't your bottom line to make money or earn product (same thing as making money)? I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't need some money and had enough money to just buy the Pampered Chef products I want. Ultimately, that's why I do shows. If I was only doing it for fun or to be around people, I would just attend as many shows as I could find. KWIM? Not a slam, just an observation. Haven't read past your post, so maybe this has already been stated.
 
RebelChef said:
It's no secret I'm against the recruiting requirement. Not because I don't, haven't or can't recruit but simply because it gives those who don't, for whatever reason, no chance to earn anything. There is absolutely nothing for the hobby or part time consultant to work towards. ... Especially with the economy right now, sales are hard. People are cancelling shows. Some won't say it but my guess is it's partly because of income. When you have to decide between housing, food and gas, PC products don't stand a chance.

I agree 100% with Rebel Chef. I have done PC as a fun hobby for two years now. I have a full-time job and another part-time job. I had a pretty full calendar until the end of 2007 ... and now I get no nibbles, bites, nada. I put forth myself, send out newsletters, etc. Hosts who have set dates with me this year have either postponed or cancelled.

In my area, it is really hard to recruit. I have had someone sitting on the fence to join me for almost a year. She is having a hard time getting money for the kit, even with a $40 kit credit she earned on having a show. My director and other directors in the area just can't seem to recruit people, or keep them if they do. At least four directors in Central Arkansas have lost their directorships in the last six months because of this. My director, cluster, is holding on by a thread.

In our state (Arkansas) we don't have huge incomes. The whole population of the state could fit in the Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex in Texas. People here hold onto their money. They need to feed their families, pay for gas, etc. We even feel the crunch in my household ... My husband and I together make about 60k a year (no kids) and we still feel the pinches with mortgage, car, credit card and utilities. So if we are making decent money for the area, the people who I do shows for are in the same boat. Who can afford to spend $155 on a new business ... which will really cost you close to double that to get started anyway?

If you do PC full or part time in an area that has tons of people, higher income, etc., this biz is booming. However I am totally feeling the strain of the huge effort it takes to just keep the business afloat and stay active, than trying to call and call people to see if they want to join the business. All this push to recruit leaves a bad taste in my mouth sometimes, and I certainly dont feel like it is "my business, my way." I don't see lots of support for consultants who are having a hard time or keep us motivated to keep going.

They want to focus on getting new people and selling those starter kits, great. Count me out. I'm just struggling to stay active.
 
Not judging you or against you in anyway, but if it's just a hobby then why does it bother you that you have to recruit to earn an incentive? You can still earn product, and you are still earning commission. You don't have to recruit to stay active. $200 every two months to stay active is not too much to ask from HO. And, you can still submit anytime w/in a year to reactivate if the $200 becomes too hard. Focus on your goals. HO is giving us incentives to reach higher goals if we want to set them.
 
JAE said:
Isn't your bottom line to make money or earn product (same thing as making money)? I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't need some money and had enough money to just buy the Pampered Chef products I want. Ultimately, that's why I do shows. If I was only doing it for fun or to be around people, I would just attend as many shows as I could find. KWIM? Not a slam, just an observation. Haven't read past your post, so maybe this has already been stated.
The worst sales manager I ever had to work for was a guy who had consistently been the number one salesman in his company. He must have slept through his basic psychology courses in school because he had no clue of what motivates people. His sales philosophy was make as much money as you can by screwing anyone you can as much as you can. In his world, anyone who wasn't motivated by the same thing he was just wasn't worth his time. When I got fired by him, it saved me the trouble of quitting. (The operation folded up about 9 months later as all the good people left and the customers all got wise. So much for a marketing degree.)

The point is that a "one size fits all" philosophy is not a viable solution. I hope TPC can find a way to build recruiting incentives into the plan but without forcing people, who have no interest in recruiting, to recruit.

There has a be a better plan than this one.
 
JAE said:
Not judging you or against you in anyway, but if it's just a hobby then why does it bother you that you have to recruit to earn an incentive? You can still earn product, and you are still earning commission. You don't have to recruit to stay active. $200 every two months to stay active is not too much to ask from HO. And, you can still submit anytime w/in a year to reactivate if the $200 becomes too hard. Focus on your goals. HO is giving us incentives to reach higher goals if we want to set them.
Okay, then lets find a way for the hobbyist to earn the incentive but to then pass the recruit to someone who wants to develop them. A hobbyist doesn't want to be a director and it's the recruit who will suffer the most.
 
if it's just a hobby then why does it bother you that you have to recruit to earn an incentive?

Maybe because it's that carrot being dangled. Do this and you'll get this. No wait, just a little more then you'll get it. Oops, sorry, you have to do this, too. lol

For me, it's just the point of the matter. IMO, this totally goes against the apron sizes thing. Sure you can do it part time or as a hobby, just don't expect to earn any extra incentives. If I earn it, fine, free trip. If not, I'll make my money and pay for it if I want it that badly. Yes, it gives you something to reach for but not everyone has the same opportunity. Like Tena stated, it really depends on where you live and the unemployment and economy in that area. If the money's not there, it just isn't. For my area, it isn't either. I concentrate on the Houston area although I have to drive 2 hours or more each way for a show.
 

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