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Career Plan is killing me!!!!!

shannonjennings

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I have been a director for almost a year now and I have worked my tail off on my group!!! I have a group of 10 girls in my cluster and 2 senior consultants. I am a great recruiter, but I cannot get my other girls to recruit! This new plan is killing me, because I had my entire team ready to go for January and everyone set to turn in their shows and 2 of my girls did not do it (oops) and therefore my pay is cut by a TON!!!!! I still do the same amount of work, but I get killed by it! It is so frustrating and something needs to be tweaked about it. I like most of the plan, but it is very frustrating for new directors. I feel like I work twice as hard now. I try very hard not to put pressure on my girls, because I want them to do their business their way--they did not sign up to recruit, they signed up because they love PC!!!! If they want to recruit, that's great, but that is not required!!! I am just hoping they are going to tweak it a little bit at the Spring Launch meeting!!!!!! OK-I am done with my rant, now I am ready to have a fantastic February!!!!!!!
 

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I feel your pain! Last month I had a downline not submit a party...it would have promoted someone to director (and me to AD). This month, I had one person submit $148 and so that lack of $2 made my check go down. I don't even want to know by how much at this time because I will....:cry: It will be the first time I will be paid as a TL.

The new career plan is surely tougher. You can train, cheer on, etc but if someone does not feel like working their business...it can ruin other's business even if they worked their butt off.

Unfortunately, I don't think you will hear any Career Plan changes at the Spring Launch.

Keep recruiting and you will be certain to hit on someone who wants to consistenly work their business. Hang in there!
 

NooraK

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This month, I had one person submit $148

Ouch! I'm sure you'll be looking out for that in the future, if not to just order two citrus peelers off their website on the last of the month!
 

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Ouch! I'm sure you'll be looking out for that in the future, if not to just order two citrus peelers off their website on the last of the month!

That's not the fix. One of her recruits needed to turn in $150.

I feel your pain, too. It's not just new directors who are being hurt.
 

ChefBeckyD

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I feel the pain too - after years of not having enough of my team all active at the same time to promote to director...I now have a great team in numbers, and my team sales are consistently over $4000 - January we were at $7000!...but every month I remain one Sr. Consultant short of being a director. I work hard with my team, and feel like I am doing everything that a director would be doing (and a lot more than some directors!) but I'm still just a team leader. :cry:
I have to at least console myself with the fact that at least I am getting paid a lot more than if I were a FD!
 

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I feel the pain too - after years of not having enough of my team all active at the same time to promote to director...I now have a great team in numbers, and my team sales are consistently over $4000 - January we were at $7000!...but every month I remain one Sr. Consultant short of being a director. I work hard with my team, and feel like I am doing everything that a director would be doing (and a lot more than some directors!) but I'm still just a team leader. :cry:
I have to at least console myself with the fact that at least I am getting paid a lot more than if I were a FD!

Becky, I'm in the same boat. We are going to do some recruiting activities at our meeting this month. I'm really excited to have all of my direct recruits going to spring launch tomorrow.

It'll be ok though bc once we do promote it willbe great.
 

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The suggestion to order $2 on the website was on the consultant who only had $148 in sales's website which would have fixed it. Unfortunately, most consultants submit at the last minute and I bet she didn't realize that it wasn't $150 commissionable. We can't see what they submitted until it's to late to do anything about it if they submit it late in the month.


Many seasoned directors are struggling with the new plan and are getting paid as TL more than half the time. I have not lost my directorship but have been paid as TL about half the time since the new plan started. I have 3 SC's and a TL and I struggle to get 2 teams submitting in the same month. Someone is always missing from the chosen few.

Time and working our businesses will eventually iron it all out and hopefully reduce the stress.
 

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I will absolutely not recruit anyone. I will absolutely not make phone calls to gather orders/bookings, etc. I will not go to my weekly Team Meetings. I actually have VERY little contact with my direct upline - I've only met her once. I do very little in terms of follow-up with current/prior customers. I will gather random orders through people here at work, but only if it doesn't involve too much of my time. I leave catalogs out near the coffee mess here at work, and if someone wants to order something, then they can approach me. I'll be glad to help them with an order, but I will not aproach them first. Going along with this method has allowed me to meet my minimum goals with little-to-no effort. I like it that way. For the past year and a half, I have ALWAYS been Active, sometimes with $600-$700 shows. Most of my shows are in the $200-$300 range.

Could I make more money? Could I sell more product? Could I recruit others?

Sure! But I don't want to.

My job isn't to make my upline more money. My job is to do what is comfortable to me.
 

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I'm surprised that you're on here if the "little to no effort" approach is what's working for you. That's fine. You're not alone in working your business that way. But please don't think that these Directors and Team Leaders are making a ton of money on the activity of their teams. Just 2% on a $10,000 team is $200 a month, and it takes a lot to make a $10,000 team. There's a lot of time involved in helping the people who do want to work and grow their business. The overrides are a little - very little - compensation to people for their time.
 

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I will absolutely not recruit anyone. I will absolutely not make phone calls to gather orders/bookings, etc. I will not go to my weekly Team Meetings. I actually have VERY little contact with my direct upline - I've only met her once. I do very little in terms of follow-up with current/prior customers. I will gather random orders through people here at work, but only if it doesn't involve too much of my time. I leave catalogs out near the coffee mess here at work, and if someone wants to order something, then they can approach me. I'll be glad to help them with an order, but I will not aproach them first. Going along with this method has allowed me to meet my minimum goals with little-to-no effort. I like it that way. For the past year and a half, I have ALWAYS been Active, sometimes with $600-$700 shows. Most of my shows are in the $200-$300 range.

Could I make more money? Could I sell more product? Could I recruit others?

Sure! But I don't want to.

My job isn't to make my upline more money. My job is to do what is comfortable to me.

ok - don't do any of the above for your upline. but you might want to do it for yourself. I feel that it is my job to call my current and past customers to make sure that they are happy with what they purchased. Hey, I sold it to them. Think you'll find that the little extra you do with your customers goes a long way.

I also find that I get a lot out of my cluster meetings. I don't go because my director asks me. I go because it helps keep me motivated and gives me new ideas.

But, as you said, if you don't want to do any of those things, then don't. That's the beauty of owning your own business:)
 
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I feel your pain I communicate with my Director and AD alot about this and I know how hard it is on them getting all their ducks in a row and for me as a team leader I know how hard it is for me as well. I do my own meetings due to my team is farther away then my director and I this last month I did a little recruiting speach about all the pros and everything and a couple of my team said you are doing everything as director except getting the pay which they are true I am just 1 to 2 each month from being away as a director and I see another director each month going up and down due to people submitting or the lack of submitting and it is hard for me to think gosh if I make it to director level I am not going to like that level stress as others have stated they are having. I am hoping something changes just enough so we all have breathing room. I know directors and other levels are leaving pc and all the ones I have talked to are because of the carreer plan and honestly I don't blame them like my AD said to me the other day she said I used to be able to sell people when signing them up this can be a stable form of income well she said I don't feel that way anymore due to the way the plan is layed out. just my 2 cents
 

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This brings me to a topic which I've debated posting the past few days. I'm one who didn't sign up to recruit, and really had no desire to. My recruiter is a good friend and respected my feelings and left me alone to run my own business my way. ( I HAVE a job teaching, and do this for fun b/c I love the products.) However this new career plan has turned her into a two-headed monster at times! Quite by accident i recently signed 2 recruits. In December the sun, moon, and stars happened to align and everyone submitted shows so she promoted to director. I kept telling her I didn't understand why she was making such a big deal out of it, as it was apparent she wasn't going to be able to keep it. (This also promoted our director to AD). Well sure enough, the end of January rolled around, and neither of my recruits submitted anything. One lives in another state and has had health problems and is going through major life changes right now, the other is a busy mother of 4 who is trying to get started, but her sister postponed the show she was going to do in Jan. My recruiter called last week and asked if there was anything I could do to get them to submit. Even asked if I had $150 in orders I could submit in their name! WTH?!?!?!? When she mentioned that she might call Suzie Q and ask if she could submit something I was appalled! "I need you to do this so I can get______" What an ugly sentiment!! I would never in a million years make a phone call like that!

Okay--I feel better now that I've vented! Back to my happy little PC world (wasn't My Business MY WAY a motto in the not too distant past?)
 

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I will absolutely not recruit anyone. I will absolutely not make phone calls to gather orders/bookings, etc. I will not go to my weekly Team Meetings. I actually have VERY little contact with my direct upline - I've only met her once. I do very little in terms of follow-up with current/prior customers. I will gather random orders through people here at work, but only if it doesn't involve too much of my time. I leave catalogs out near the coffee mess here at work, and if someone wants to order something, then they can approach me. I'll be glad to help them with an order, but I will not aproach them first. Going along with this method has allowed me to meet my minimum goals with little-to-no effort. I like it that way. For the past year and a half, I have ALWAYS been Active, sometimes with $600-$700 shows. Most of my shows are in the $200-$300 range.

Could I make more money? Could I sell more product? Could I recruit others?

Sure! But I don't want to.

My job isn't to make my upline more money. My job is to do what is comfortable to me.

Well Wahoo for you! But don't be surprised if this method peters out and you have a hard time staying active. An open mind goes a long way, but be careful because you just might learn something or enjoy being a consultant and helping people.
 

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I feel the pain too - after years of not having enough of my team all active at the same time to promote to director...I now have a great team in numbers, and my team sales are consistently over $4000 - January we were at $7000!...but every month I remain one Sr. Consultant short of being a director. I work hard with my team, and feel like I am doing everything that a director would be doing (and a lot more than some directors!) but I'm still just a team leader. :cry:
I have to at least console myself with the fact that at least I am getting paid a lot more than if I were a FD!

Right there with you Becky. I was always one short of 5 and 2009 had 12, but still TL b/c of only 1 sr. on the team, so I've never promoted. It's disappointing but I love my job & wouldn't change it. I've just come to terms that it's the rules and one day I'll be crossing that stage at conference.
 

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Right there with you Becky. I was always one short of 5 and 2009 had 12, but still TL b/c of only 1 sr. on the team, so I've never promoted. It's disappointing but I love my job & wouldn't change it. I've just come to terms that it's the rules and one day I'll be crossing that stage at conference.

That's me EXACTLY!

I love my job too - and I love my team. They know what I need to promote, but none of them (obviously:rolleyes:) are feeling pressured to recruit in order for me to promote....and I'll never make them feel pressured either.

My one who has recruited is actually a team leader, although just as often she's paid as a Sr. Cons....she has some clear goals about what she wants to do...most of the rest of my team are doing this more as a hobby on the side - OR they are still brand new and qualifying themselves. A couple of the really new ones I can see recruiting very quickly, so I know it's only a matter of time. And really, I'd much rather promote with a team of 12-15 in place then with a team of 6.
 

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Well Wahoo for you! But don't be surprised if this method peters out and you have a hard time staying active. An open mind goes a long way, but be careful because you just might learn something or enjoy being a consultant and helping people.
Who says I'm not helping people? I am helping a smaller circle of people, and doing it quite well, thank you very much.

Don't put words in my mouth, please.
 

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I will absolutely not recruit anyone. I will absolutely not make phone calls to gather orders/bookings, etc. I will not go to my weekly Team Meetings. I actually have VERY little contact with my direct upline - I've only met her once. I do very little in terms of follow-up with current/prior customers. I will gather random orders through people here at work, but only if it doesn't involve too much of my time. I leave catalogs out near the coffee mess here at work, and if someone wants to order something, then they can approach me. I'll be glad to help them with an order, but I will not aproach them first. Going along with this method has allowed me to meet my minimum goals with little-to-no effort. I like it that way. For the past year and a half, I have ALWAYS been Active, sometimes with $600-$700 shows. Most of my shows are in the $200-$300 range.

Could I make more money? Could I sell more product? Could I recruit others?

Sure! But I don't want to.

My job isn't to make my upline more money. My job is to do what is comfortable to me.

Who says I'm not helping people? I am helping a smaller circle of people, and doing it quite well, thank you very much.

Don't put words in my mouth, please.



I think she is referring to the part that I bolded. Not exactly putting words in your mouth....I would assume from what I bolded that you aren't into customer service too much.


I'm curious though - if you had someone who came to you, and wanted to sign up, would you refuse them? Or would you point them to the upline with whom you have no relationship?
 

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This is something my director and I just had a talk about. I was sharing my concerns but I also stated that it would happen when it happens. In Gods time not mine.
 

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This brings me to a topic which I've debated posting the past few days. I'm one who didn't sign up to recruit, and really had no desire to. My recruiter is a good friend and respected my feelings and left me alone to run my own business my way. ( I HAVE a job teaching, and do this for fun b/c I love the products.) However this new career plan has turned her into a two-headed monster at times! Quite by accident i recently signed 2 recruits. In December the sun, moon, and stars happened to align and everyone submitted shows so she promoted to director. I kept telling her I didn't understand why she was making such a big deal out of it, as it was apparent she wasn't going to be able to keep it. (This also promoted our director to AD). Well sure enough, the end of January rolled around, and neither of my recruits submitted anything. One lives in another state and has had health problems and is going through major life changes right now, the other is a busy mother of 4 who is trying to get started, but her sister postponed the show she was going to do in Jan. My recruiter called last week and asked if there was anything I could do to get them to submit. Even asked if I had $150 in orders I could submit in their name! WTH?!?!?!? When she mentioned that she might call Suzie Q and ask if she could submit something I was appalled! "I need you to do this so I can get______" What an ugly sentiment!! I would never in a million years make a phone call like that!

Okay--I feel better now that I've vented! Back to my happy little PC world (wasn't My Business MY WAY a motto in the not too distant past?)



I couldnt agree with you more!!! Sounds like we had the same Director! My director was more about her then her downline, when I realize it, I stepped back on my business.... I won't be anyones $$ sign... WHEN and IF I go back to working my business (which I happened to be quite good at ..qualified at my first show, hit 15,000 in 2 1/2 months, at this point have over 168,000 in personal sales and didnt even work my business last year..) I will be signing under someone who RESPECTS their downline and the way they want to work their business...

NOW, I know so many of you here are super directors... this is not meant to any of you, who really do have wonderful director and leadership skills... Its more meant to those who maybe treat their downline more as a $ then a human...
 

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I couldnt agree with you more!!! Sounds like we had the same Director! My director was more about her then her downline, when I realize it, I stepped back on my business.... I won't be anyones $$ sign... WHEN and IF I go back to working my business (which I happened to be quite good at ..qualified at my first show, hit 15,000 in 2 1/2 months, at this point have over 168,000 in personal sales and didnt even work my business last year..) I will be signing under someone who RESPECTS their downline and the way they want to work their business...

NOW, I know so many of you here are super directors... this is not meant to any of you, who really do have wonderful director and leadership skills... Its more meant to those who maybe treat their downline more as a $ then a human...
Dor you can sign under me! I'm always looking for good hard workers and don't feel like I am too pushy! I just want someone who submits something... Out of 4 team members I have one who is consistent and the other three randomly submit. Luckily I've maintained TL status for 5 months now! And have been paid as one!
 

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Ok Allison!!! :) (I will let ya know!)
 

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I will absolutely not recruit anyone. I will absolutely not make phone calls to gather orders/bookings, etc. I will not go to my weekly Team Meetings. I actually have VERY little contact with my direct upline - I've only met her once. I do very little in terms of follow-up with current/prior customers. I will gather random orders through people here at work, but only if it doesn't involve too much of my time. I leave catalogs out near the coffee mess here at work, and if someone wants to order something, then they can approach me. I'll be glad to help them with an order, but I will not aproach them first. Going along with this method has allowed me to meet my minimum goals with little-to-no effort. I like it that way. For the past year and a half, I have ALWAYS been Active, sometimes with $600-$700 shows. Most of my shows are in the $200-$300 range.

Could I make more money? Could I sell more product? Could I recruit others?

Sure! But I don't want to.

My job isn't to make my upline more money. My job is to do what is comfortable to me.


I have absolutely no problem with this-to each her own. If you were on my team I would not push you to do something that you don't want to do. I would be there to support you and let you know the benefits of what you could earn should you choose to strive for it. I would not push my desires onto you, nor would I expect you to do a job that you don't want to do. It is your business to grow as you you see fit. We all have our own reasons for starting Pampered Chef and our own desires for what we want out of our businesses.
 

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I think she is referring to the part that I bolded. Not exactly putting words in your mouth....I would assume from what I bolded that you aren't into customer service too much.


I'm curious though - if you had someone who came to you, and wanted to sign up, would you refuse them? Or would you point them to the upline with whom you have no relationship?
I think I understand the confusion of my posts. I really was intending to speak to my lack of phone interaction and formal follow-up and how I won't/don't do that. I did mention that most often, I just place catalogs in the coffee mess at work, and in that environment, if I catch someone in the hall with a question, heck yeah I'll answer it. But I never approach them about hosting a party, and I have never approached anyone about recruitment. I don't even own the slides that speak to the benefits of PC, and I've never mentioned the benefits to my customers. However, if someone did approach me about working PC, I'd pass on recruiting them myself and likely forward their info to the person who recruited me.

Really, what got me about the original post, and some of the subsequent posts, was that some folks were getting peeved at people under them underperforming or not performing at all. It was my intent to say that - IN MY CASE - I have no desire to change my tactics or my business strategy to satisfy someone else's expectations of what I should be doing....in order to benefit their Career Plan or their payment levels.

IN MY CASE - I've never made a false impression to my upline that I intended this to be anything more than a casual side business. If they expect any more of me, then they will surely be disappointed. I'm satisfied doing exactly what I'm doing, and that is all that really matters.
 

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I'm glad my director is NOT pushy at all when it comes to sales/recruiting. I was like you, Christy, when I signed up, I told her that I was not going to actively recruit- it just isn't. I did get my first recruit in my first year but not because of anything I did, I just was the consultant who she met and was going to host for me. She was looking for part-time income and liked PC. I just started doing Step Up Your BUsiness with my director, but I told her my main concern was their focus. I had eavesdropped on the recordings of the last SUYB session last fall and realized it focused alot on Recruiting. I said that yes, I'd like to recruit- eventually, but right now, I needed to get shows on my calendar so I could meet people that I may eventually be able to offer the opportunity to, plus setting a good example for any recruits I do get! :D (Monkey see, monkey do).

She was/is cool with that- thankfully. She knows she can't push me to do what I don't want to do- be it getting extra sales or recruits or whatever. Yes- I want them, but sometimes other things in life do take priority.

Several of us in our cluster have talked about the change in emphasis on recruiting- which I don't like, but...like others said, it is what it is. I'll do my job just the same. Yes- I'd like to get Director someday! Am I going to work hard to get it? As best I can without sacrificing quality time with my family.

They want you to build "wide and deep", and now we know why. :)
 

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I do not know how you directors take it! I have been a TL since November and will not be paid as one for January. I have 3 recruits, 2 of who decided not to do anything in January. One party would have made the difference. I did have a party Friday, but do you think I could get the host to close by Sunday -- no way. And I can't blame her b/c she is going for 50% more money. But I worked as hard as ever and won't make as much. The stress of keeping the title once you have it is tough. It must be way worse for directors and up!

Sandi
 

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I do not know how you directors take it! I have been a TL since November and will not be paid as one for January. I have 3 recruits, 2 of who decided not to do anything in January. One party would have made the difference. I did have a party Friday, but do you think I could get the host to close by Sunday -- no way. And I can't blame her b/c she is going for 50% more money. But I worked as hard as ever and won't make as much. The stress of keeping the title once you have it is tough. It must be way worse for directors and up!

Sandi

That's probably why so many have left. They were under a plan that allowed them to keep their title without issue- but then when it changed, it really changed their business.
 

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What's funny (in a way), is that I seem to be in the opposite boat. My D lives on the other coast and works full time, so I rarely have a chance to speak with her, and my ED often doesn't have much time for me either (she's got a large team and I'm not anywhere close to a top producer). My HD has her own team, and since she can't see my stats, she isn't checking to see how I'm doing.

I can see the frustration though. My one recruit did all of $15 in January, and I don't know if she has any plans to continue in February.

One thing I'd be really curious about: If BadGirl does that well without any effort, I wonder how well she'd do if she even told people about the host benefits (since she mentioned she doesn't). Not that I'm saying you have to, like you said what you do works for you. But it's just the curiosity in me, especially since I can't seem to get a booking to save my life except when I use the booking slide :D
 

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I have to admit that I was one of the directors who decided to mostly hang it up when they came out with the new plan. There were a few in my upline who have quit or have had to get full time jobs to supplement an income that dropped substantially. It was hard to watch because some of them really worked their business.

It is definitely more work. It can be done, as many of the directors here have proven, but for me it wasn't worth it. I was already working full-time (I overnight-travel more than 50% of my work week) and I was struggling just to keep my six recruits' sales above the minimum. Only one of them was interested in recruiting, but her two recruits rarely submitted anything. I would've had to at least doubled the amount of time I spent with my team, recruited more who were interested in recruiting, and then still probably not get paid for the extra time I spent.

Kudos to those that are doing it. I applaud each and every one of you, and I do believe that if you want it and work at it, it can be yours, but it might take longer than in the old plan. I feel for those of you that are really trying hard and aren't getting where you need/want to be.

Stay positive, keep working at it, and if you want it, it'll happen!
 

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BadGirl, My apologies to you, because in hindsight my post looks rather witchy. I do agree with Linda that it is your business to run it the way your like. I have consultants on my team much like you and I hope that they never feel pressure to do anything they do not want to do. I leave them alone and I am there to answer any questions if they have them. Just as it is not about me if someone does or does not want to host a show, it is not about me if a consultant is or is not active. The frustration as a director (at least for me) is when someone is telling all the things they are doing and leading you to believe they are working their business and they are not. Or if someone refuses to get on the phone and make phone calls but then complains that they have no business.

Again, I apologizes for my witchy comments.
 

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Yes, I agree, I have no idea how you Directors are handling all this back and forth.

Me, I am just a hobbiest - and that is all I intended to be - so no biggie.

But, it seems as though Directors are no longer in control of their own destiny in this plan. You heavily rely on your downline to recruit. It almost seems infair for those Direcors who recruit and have a wide team - but not deep.

My Director keeps flipping back & forth. I am very grateful that she has chosen to continue taking on a Director role (meetings, etc) even when she is not a Director.

How the heck do you order business cards, etc. Team Leader one month, Director the next. Back to Team Leader...
 

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I do have a question for everyone, because I want to understand. Why do you not want to recruit?
 

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I do have a question for everyone, because I want to understand. Why do you not want to recruit?

For me, it's a couple of reasons that hold me back from it.

(1) My personality...I was always the one on those personality tests that was on the far-Introvert side....so asking someone to do ANYTHING is very difficult for me! This whole business has been a big stretch outside of my comfort zone- which I'm slowly expanding.

(2) Because I don't have a consistent calendar of bookings, I don't feel like I could be much of an example of someone who has a business going. I feel like they'd be looking to ME for training and guidance....and if I can't put into practice what I know, then what does that say?



It's not that I don't WANT to, just not yet...not top-priority.
 

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I love being a director, but I will not push my girls to do anything they do not want to do!!! When I first became a director, I pushed, but I learned my lesson and I realized that is not the way I wanted to run my business, so I have recruited like crazy hoping that I can get my team the way it needs to be on my own...not relying on the rest of the team. I tell my girls all of the time that this is YOUR business...you run it YOUR way!!!! I have stuck with that philosophy even through the career plan change. I am hoping I can find a few more who will want to recruit, so I don't go through this up and down all of the time! BUT no matter what I am always there for my team rather I am paid as a director or not!! I tell them that this is not about me, but it is about them.
 

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I do have a question for everyone, because I want to understand. Why do you not want to recruit?

OK, without getting blasted from others on how I am "not doing my job"...it has never been a goal or priority for me to recruit or become a Director, etc. I never got into this to make money (I work a FT job). I got into this to support my "PC habit". I LOVE the products and LOVE helping others love the products too. The money is a nice benefit :).

I would NEVER turn down a recruit. I do mention the opportunity - briefly.

BUT - here is my take on recruiting. If I recruited someone - I would feel as if it is MY responsibility to train, help, answer questions, check in, and support this person (etc etc). If I cannot do those things, then I would feel bad. I do not have the time (and I am not willing to make the time) to do these things. I barely have enough time to keep my own biz going. It would not be fair for me to recruit and abandon. Honestly, if I got a recruit, I would probably give that person to my Director - if that is allowed.
 

esavvymom

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YOu know what made me actually want to recruit this year? Seeing the success others have when they have a team...seeing the extras- like the $$, the extra product (directors), and, as crazy as it sounds....seeing them walk across stage at NC.

When my SED and SD sent out a copy of some of their past commission statements (from 1-2 yrs ago), I was SHOCKED at how much they earned just because they did have a team! It was over 2/3 of their paychecks! THAT was motivating and powerful!!!

So, while I wouldn't be one to push anyone to do what they had no desire to do, I would probably be sure they knew somehow what they can get. It can be their choice then, and I wouldn't be "prejudging" by not telling them the benefits. I would probably do that during the special training processes that PC comes out with- like Step Up Your Business, or the Director Express type trainings.
 

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BUT - here is my take on recruiting. If I recruited someone - I would feel as if it is MY responsibility to train, help, answer questions, check in, and support this person (etc etc). If I cannot do those things, then I would feel bad. I do not have the time (and I am not willing to make the time) to do these things. I barely have enough time to keep my own biz going. It would not be fair for me to recruit and abandon. Honestly, if I got a recruit, I would probably give that person to my Director - if that is allowed.

Technically, it is your Director's job to train your recruit until you are a Director yourself. But I know how you feel. I do want to get there some day, so I believe that I should be doing all of that with my recruits from the start.
 

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BadGirl, My apologies to you, because in hindsight my post looks rather witchy. I do agree with Linda that it is your business to run it the way your like. I have consultants on my team much like you and I hope that they never feel pressure to do anything they do not want to do. I leave them alone and I am there to answer any questions if they have them. Just as it is not about me if someone does or does not want to host a show, it is not about me if a consultant is or is not active. The frustration as a director (at least for me) is when someone is telling all the things they are doing and leading you to believe they are working their business and they are not. Or if someone refuses to get on the phone and make phone calls but then complains that they have no business.

Again, I apologizes for my witchy comments.
No apologies required, CWL. I'm sure that I came across as snarky, and that wasn't my intent. I really just wanted to express that someone (ME!) are not terribly concerned with being the "perfect" PC Consultant (whatever that is :eek: ). And I agree, if someone under you is presenting themselves to be doing certain things, and is not doing it, then you have every reason to be upset/concerned. I've never implied to my Team Leader that I intended to do anything that what I am currently doing.

I do have a question for everyone, because I want to understand. Why do you not want to recruit?
I just don't have the where-with-all to do it. My primary job is pretty demanding, and I just wanted this to be a quick outlet, with little need for me to focus on every little detail. And to be competely honest, I just don't want to be bothered by questions and issues at all hours of the day. I couldn't reasonably expect someone under me to never call me during normal working hours (because I couldn't handle PC calls while at my job), or to contact me while I'm trying to cook dinner, get my 4 year old ready for bed, blabh, blah, blah. I guess when it comes down to it, I just don't have a lot of time to dedicate to the effort.

Since this thread started, I've been thinking about my involvement in PC, and just realized that I have never asked my friends to have a home party for me, nor have I approached my co-workers about a party (other than leaving a catalog out for them to order from). I am missing out on a possible gold mine!
 

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I think I understand the confusion of my posts. I really was intending to speak to my lack of phone interaction and formal follow-up and how I won't/don't do that. I did mention that most often, I just place catalogs in the coffee mess at work, and in that environment, if I catch someone in the hall with a question, heck yeah I'll answer it. But I never approach them about hosting a party, and I have never approached anyone about recruitment. I don't even own the slides that speak to the benefits of PC, and I've never mentioned the benefits to my customers. However, if someone did approach me about working PC, I'd pass on recruiting them myself and likely forward their info to the person who recruited me.

Really, what got me about the original post, and some of the subsequent posts, was that some folks were getting peeved at people under them underperforming or not performing at all. It was my intent to say that - IN MY CASE - I have no desire to change my tactics or my business strategy to satisfy someone else's expectations of what I should be doing....in order to benefit their Career Plan or their payment levels.

IN MY CASE - I've never made a false impression to my upline that I intended this to be anything more than a casual side business. If they expect any more of me, then they will surely be disappointed. I'm satisfied doing exactly what I'm doing, and that is all that really matters.

Thank you for explaining that.

As I said before - I love my downline, and never would I try to make them feel pressured into doing more than their goals. I always stress to them that everyone's goals are different, and if it's their goal to do one show a month, then, when they achieve that goal, we will celebrate the same as when any team member meets their personal goal!

My frustration (and it's minimal, really) is with the fact that I struggled for so many years to have 5 qualified active recruits at the same time, and now, I have double that...and it's still not enough.
 

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But, it seems as though Directors are no longer in control of their own destiny in this plan. You heavily rely on your downline to recruit.

And this is THE problem with the plan for those who are trying to make a living at this business. They don't want to (can't?) rely on someone else to determine their level of income from month to month. That's why many have left.
 

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And this is THE problem with the plan for those who are trying to make a living at this business. They don't want to (can't?) rely on someone else to determine their level of income from month to month. That's why many have left.


DING DING DING DING...we have a winner!!!!! :D That is exactly right! I am still having fun with it and have decided that when it stops being fun, then I will quit. I have to remember why I started PC and that is what keeps me in the business...not the big paycheck...that is just a bonus. It is just frustrating when you know you could get it and someone you didn't even recruit keeps you from getting it!!!!
 

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