Recruiting Ethics??

AmyDare · 10-04-2009, 12:44 AM

OK, so I have this host who wants to sign as a consultant just because the kit cost is such a bargain.
She doesn't particularly want to be a consultant...although 3 of her guests said they'd have a party if she was the consultant...she just wants the discounted products in the kit.
How do I handle this gal?
AmyD

pcchefjane · 10-04-2009, 01:12 AM

I would explain to her that she is obligated to have a minimum of 4 shows for PC. If she decides at the end of those 4 shows that the biz is not for her, she may go inactive. I would not say that they will want the kit back (which they don't), but don't let her think it is okay to be a kitnapper! Personally, I would not sign her up. Maybe you can talk to your director and have her do a three-way with you and her. That might "scare her off"!

lockhartkitchen · 10-04-2009, 01:18 AM

I would sign her, but I would first let her know that when filling out the contract, she will be asked to have names and dates of her first 4 shows. I would give her two days to meet again with her 3 friends names with dates for their shows. The fourth show, could even be someone else, other than the 3 that would do a catalog show for her. Even if she never does anything after these 3, or even ever, she may later. She may really want to do shows later, or have a life change and finds she HAS to do PC, before the 6 months is up, and she would have the option to work her business, because she had already signed up.

ChefBeckyD · 10-04-2009, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pcchefjane

I would explain to her that she is obligated to have a minimum of 4 shows for PC. If she decides at the end of those 4 shows that the biz is not for her, she may go inactive. I would not say that they will want the kit back (which they don't), but don't let her think it is okay to be a kitnapper! Personally, I would not sign her up. Maybe you can talk to your director and have her do a three-way with you and her. That might "scare her off"!

Actually, the 4 show minimum isn't correct anymore. While they are asked to provide the names and dates of 4 shows, they've fulfilled their obligation when they submit $1250 in sales. 4 shows no longer "qualifies" them, it's just the $$ amount.

And, if she is agreeable to the fulfilling the $1250 in sales, then I would for sure sign her! I was one of those who signed just for the deal...and here I am 7 years later! I think there are a lot of us like that.

AJPratt · 10-04-2009, 01:35 AM

I know people who actually went to pick up the kit from a kit napper.

AmyDare · 10-04-2009, 01:41 AM

She was very specific to ask me what exactly was her obligation if she signed, and I did tell her 4 shows or whatever it took to get $1250 in sales. I'll be calling her Monday to get any more orders for tonight's party...and I'm sure we'll be talking again. She did realize that she'd be expected to do parties herself. I told her I'd be at her Grand Opening...but I'll make sure she understands that she'll have to learn the business enough to complete the other parties. I also let her know about the benefits to continuing the business for 4 months--PC dollars, plus Kit Enhancement...so you never know, I guess. It just bugged me that she was talking about only signing up to get the products. (I re-read the consultant agreement--it doesn't say anything about qualifying as a requirement.)

Sheila · 10-04-2009, 06:51 AM

My first recruit signed for the discount. That's EXACTLY what I said when I signed. That I would do what it took to stay active and keep the discount, but I wasn't planning to do it on a regular basis. I'm still not full time, but last month I did 6 cooking shows and gathered $175 in outside orders & put it in as a Catalog show to get another stone at 60% off! 2 Aug cooking shows, 2 Sept cooking shows + the 1 catalog show gave me $4,385.30 in sales last month. I just closed 2 of the 3 open September shows on the 2nd & submitted $1,500 in sales. And am headed over to close the last one now. I have 2 open shows from this last weekend that will close this week too. I still have a booth this month and more cooking shows on the calendar. How's that for "just doing it for the discount"??? LOL

Recruit #1 just finished her 30 days and is ecstatic that she can MAKE a paycheck for doing Pampered Chef. She never thought about making income, she just wanted to get the discount. She's more motivated now. She has a catalog show open right now, did a cooking show yesterday & has another cooking show coming up on the 17th. I think she's going to turn out to be like me. Working a LOT more than she had planned to do because she thinks its fun too!!!

Hopefully, your recruit will be the same. She'll do a couple of shows, see how easy it is to have fun & make money & love it!

lauradahl · 10-04-2009, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ChefBeckyD

Actually, the 4 show minimum isn't correct anymore. While they are asked to provide the names and dates of 4 shows, they've fulfilled their obligation when they submit $1250 in sales. 4 shows no longer "qualifies" them, it's just the $$ amount.

And, if she is agreeable to the fulfilling the $1250 in sales, then I would for sure sign her! I was one of those who signed just for the deal...and here I am 7 years later! I think there are a lot of us like that.

I'm one of those! I never intended on 'running' with the kit, but, I hosted a party, signed on and only intended minimal sales. Well, 3 years later here I am and last year lead in sales for my director's cluster.

So sign her! Give her all the help you can and you never know what will happen!

Jolie_Paradoxe · 10-04-2009, 12:33 PM

I too told my recruiter that I would do just 4 shows....I wanted the bargain, and I already knew 5 friends from my party who wanted to do a show. I was upfront and told my recruiter that I was ONLY going to do those 4 shows and be out. Here I am now...8 months later, loving PC, I met the 15K and met director qualifications!

So, let her know how to maximize the new consultant rewards...PCD means more free product. Be sure she knows she HAS to do those 4 shows, and see where it leads. You never know. Let her know you appreciate the honesty....makes it easier to support her.

nikked · 10-04-2009, 03:00 PM

One of our NED's...drawing a blank on the name here, sorry, but I think it Patty or Patsy WAS a kitnapper. Had a Director savy and persistent enough to make sure that everyone who signed fulfilled their obligation, and kept on the now NED...I heard her story at NC a few years back...VERY COOL.

So, make sure she complete's her $1250...after that, if the business isn't for her, she'll know it...

HTH!!!

AmyDare · 10-04-2009, 04:48 PM

I sent the host an email this morning saying I could meet with her Wednesday evening to sign her consultant agreement, and she emailed me back asking about the 1250, saying she wants to know what she's getting into, but that she still wants the kit...so hopefully once she sees how awesome it is, she'll get hooked!

outwhit420 · 10-07-2009, 12:34 PM

I would DEFINITELY sign her! Let her know that once she meets the $1,250 in sales, her obligation is through...BUT that she will get MORE incentives if she achieves that in her first 30 days, and then if she continues to hit $1,250for the first three months of her business, she will get even MORE PC dollars that she could use for herself.

Most likely, when she starts getting her commission checks, she will see how cool it is, and will continue on, even if it's as a hobbyist consultant.

pampchefsarah · 10-07-2009, 08:40 PM

My first recruit was a total kitnapper - never submitted a single dollar in sales. My second recruit intended to be a kitnapper, but when she understood what all the incentives were for qualifying in your first 30, etc., she decided to get all she could for free.

We had our cluster meeting last night, and my recruit, who is now in her 10th month, was 3rd in sales for the team. The surprise, that she was ONLY 3rd in sales - she has consistently been in first or second place. She's also less than $4k away from her $15k career sales.

AmyDare · 10-07-2009, 09:42 PM

As soon as we can close/"process" her party, she's planning to sign up.
Amy

AJPratt · 10-08-2009, 10:02 PM

Good luck! I hope she stays on!

AmyDare · 10-08-2009, 11:41 PM

We talked today, and I think she's starting to get more and more interesed about actually being a consultant. 2 of her friends booked off her party, so I'll give her those bookings. My director offered to give her the catalog tote if she completes the online training. The gal asked me today what happens if she does 4 shows and doesn't do 1250 in sales (because she lives in an area where the show average will be lower)...I told her no henchmen would come to her house. She even said maybe she'd do 5 shows to get up to the 1250...and how surprised she is that so many people LOVE our products. I think she may end up surprising herself! She's signing on Saturday. :-)
Amy

pcchefjane · 10-09-2009, 08:01 AM

$1250 qualifies her. 4 shows doesn't... Good luck with her. My 2nd Recruit was a former consultant who said she was ready but never sold a dime...then emailed me on August 28 and asked if I wanted to buy her catalogs she had left. I offered to in July....

Jules711 · 10-09-2009, 08:22 AM

There are a lot of people who join for the kit only and end up loving it. It's easy to say yes, I want a deal. It's harder to make what seems to be a very long commitment. I really encourage those to work the system by doing a lot in the first 30-90 days so they get even MORE for the initial cost! Of course, while they are doing that (just to get the better deal), they are finding out if they love it as a business. Good luck!

nene960 · 10-09-2009, 03:55 PM

My newest recruit just wanted the value of the kit but when she got it and started training she fell in love with the business. I say sign her!

AmyDare · 10-16-2009, 12:37 AM

She signed!! She emailed me with a few questions and ended it by saying she's starting to get excited, so I'm starting to get excited, too!
:-)

10-04-2009, 01:12 AM	#2
pcchefjane Location: SE Tennessee Posts: 2,431 Best Show: 1202! Experience: 2 # of Shows: 56 My Mood:	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? I would explain to her that she is obligated to have a minimum of 4 shows for PC. If she decides at the end of those 4 shows that the biz is not for her, she may go inactive. I would not say that they will want the kit back (which they don't), but don't let her think it is okay to be a kitnapper! Personally, I would not sign her up. Maybe you can talk to your director and have her do a three-way with you and her. That might "scare her off"!

10-04-2009, 01:18 AM	#3
lockhartkitchen Location: McMinnville, Oregon Posts: 1,542 Best Show: $2000 Experience: 4 # of Shows:	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? I would sign her, but I would first let her know that when filling out the contract, she will be asked to have names and dates of her first 4 shows. I would give her two days to meet again with her 3 friends names with dates for their shows. The fourth show, could even be someone else, other than the 3 that would do a catalog show for her. Even if she never does anything after these 3, or even ever, she may later. She may really want to do shows later, or have a life change and finds she HAS to do PC, before the 6 months is up, and she would have the option to work her business, because she had already signed up.

10-04-2009, 01:35 AM	#5
AJPratt Location: NJ Posts: 6,343 Best Show: 2500 Experience: 4 # of Shows: 100 My Mood:	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? I know people who actually went to pick up the kit from a kit napper.

10-04-2009, 01:41 AM	#6
AmyDare Location: Sacramento, California area Posts: 91 Best Show: 650. Experience: .3 # of Shows: 12	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? She was very specific to ask me what exactly was her obligation if she signed, and I did tell her 4 shows or whatever it took to get $1250 in sales. I'll be calling her Monday to get any more orders for tonight's party...and I'm sure we'll be talking again. She did realize that she'd be expected to do parties herself. I told her I'd be at her Grand Opening...but I'll make sure she understands that she'll have to learn the business enough to complete the other parties. I also let her know about the benefits to continuing the business for 4 months--PC dollars, plus Kit Enhancement...so you never know, I guess. It just bugged me that she was talking about only signing up to get the products. (I re-read the consultant agreement--it doesn't say anything about qualifying as a requirement.)

10-04-2009, 06:51 AM	#7
Sheila Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 1,065 Best Show: $1,364 Experience: <2 # of Shows: 54 My Mood:	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? My first recruit signed for the discount. That's EXACTLY what I said when I signed. That I would do what it took to stay active and keep the discount, but I wasn't planning to do it on a regular basis. I'm still not full time, but last month I did 6 cooking shows and gathered $175 in outside orders & put it in as a Catalog show to get another stone at 60% off! 2 Aug cooking shows, 2 Sept cooking shows + the 1 catalog show gave me $4,385.30 in sales last month. I just closed 2 of the 3 open September shows on the 2nd & submitted $1,500 in sales. And am headed over to close the last one now. I have 2 open shows from this last weekend that will close this week too. I still have a booth this month and more cooking shows on the calendar. How's that for "just doing it for the discount"??? LOL Recruit #1 just finished her 30 days and is ecstatic that she can MAKE a paycheck for doing Pampered Chef. She never thought about making income, she just wanted to get the discount. She's more motivated now. She has a catalog show open right now, did a cooking show yesterday & has another cooking show coming up on the 17th. I think she's going to turn out to be like me. Working a LOT more than she had planned to do because she thinks its fun too!!! Hopefully, your recruit will be the same. She'll do a couple of shows, see how easy it is to have fun & make money & love it!

10-04-2009, 12:44 AM	#1
AmyDare Location: Sacramento, California area Posts: 91 Best Show: 650. Experience: .3 # of Shows: 12	Recruiting Ethics?? OK, so I have this host who wants to sign as a consultant just because the kit cost is such a bargain. She doesn't particularly want to be a consultant...although 3 of her guests said they'd have a party if she was the consultant...she just wants the discounted products in the kit. How do I handle this gal? AmyD

10-04-2009, 12:33 PM	#9
Jolie_Paradoxe Location: San Antonio Posts: 1,236 Best Show: 1658.2 Experience: 8m # of Shows: 35 My Mood:	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? I too told my recruiter that I would do just 4 shows....I wanted the bargain, and I already knew 5 friends from my party who wanted to do a show. I was upfront and told my recruiter that I was ONLY going to do those 4 shows and be out. Here I am now...8 months later, loving PC, I met the 15K and met director qualifications! So, let her know how to maximize the new consultant rewards...PCD means more free product. Be sure she knows she HAS to do those 4 shows, and see where it leads. You never know. Let her know you appreciate the honesty....makes it easier to support her.

10-04-2009, 03:00 PM	#10
nikked Location: Albuquerque NM Posts: 1,453 Best Show: 1210 Experience: ?? # of Shows: 97 My Mood:	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? One of our NED's...drawing a blank on the name here, sorry, but I think it Patty or Patsy WAS a kitnapper. Had a Director savy and persistent enough to make sure that everyone who signed fulfilled their obligation, and kept on the now NED...I heard her story at NC a few years back...VERY COOL. So, make sure she complete's her $1250...after that, if the business isn't for her, she'll know it... HTH!!!

10-04-2009, 04:48 PM	#11
AmyDare Location: Sacramento, California area Posts: 91 Best Show: 650. Experience: .3 # of Shows: 12	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? I sent the host an email this morning saying I could meet with her Wednesday evening to sign her consultant agreement, and she emailed me back asking about the 1250, saying she wants to know what she's getting into, but that she still wants the kit...so hopefully once she sees how awesome it is, she'll get hooked!

10-07-2009, 12:34 PM	#12
outwhit420 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 31 Best Show: $1,392 Experience: 3 # of Shows: 60 My Mood:	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? I would DEFINITELY sign her! Let her know that once she meets the $1,250 in sales, her obligation is through...BUT that she will get MORE incentives if she achieves that in her first 30 days, and then if she continues to hit $1,250for the first three months of her business, she will get even MORE PC dollars that she could use for herself. Most likely, when she starts getting her commission checks, she will see how cool it is, and will continue on, even if it's as a hobbyist consultant.

10-07-2009, 08:40 PM	#13
pampchefsarah Location: Bealeton, VA Posts: 1,308 Best Show: 650 Experience: 1+ # of Shows: 35 My Mood:	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? My first recruit was a total kitnapper - never submitted a single dollar in sales. My second recruit intended to be a kitnapper, but when she understood what all the incentives were for qualifying in your first 30, etc., she decided to get all she could for free. We had our cluster meeting last night, and my recruit, who is now in her 10th month, was 3rd in sales for the team. The surprise, that she was ONLY 3rd in sales - she has consistently been in first or second place. She's also less than $4k away from her $15k career sales.

10-07-2009, 09:42 PM	#14
AmyDare Location: Sacramento, California area Posts: 91 Best Show: 650. Experience: .3 # of Shows: 12	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? As soon as we can close/"process" her party, she's planning to sign up. Amy

10-08-2009, 10:02 PM	#15
AJPratt Location: NJ Posts: 6,343 Best Show: 2500 Experience: 4 # of Shows: 100 My Mood:	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? Good luck! I hope she stays on!

10-08-2009, 11:41 PM	#16
AmyDare Location: Sacramento, California area Posts: 91 Best Show: 650. Experience: .3 # of Shows: 12	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? We talked today, and I think she's starting to get more and more interesed about actually being a consultant. 2 of her friends booked off her party, so I'll give her those bookings. My director offered to give her the catalog tote if she completes the online training. The gal asked me today what happens if she does 4 shows and doesn't do 1250 in sales (because she lives in an area where the show average will be lower)...I told her no henchmen would come to her house. She even said maybe she'd do 5 shows to get up to the 1250...and how surprised she is that so many people LOVE our products. I think she may end up surprising herself! She's signing on Saturday. :-) Amy

10-09-2009, 08:01 AM	#17
pcchefjane Location: SE Tennessee Posts: 2,431 Best Show: 1202! Experience: 2 # of Shows: 56 My Mood:	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? $1250 qualifies her. 4 shows doesn't... Good luck with her. My 2nd Recruit was a former consultant who said she was ready but never sold a dime...then emailed me on August 28 and asked if I wanted to buy her catalogs she had left. I offered to in July....

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10-09-2009, 08:22 AM	#18
Jules711 Posts: 1,787 Best Show: 1,614 Experience: 5 # of Shows: My Mood:	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? There are a lot of people who join for the kit only and end up loving it. It's easy to say yes, I want a deal. It's harder to make what seems to be a very long commitment. I really encourage those to work the system by doing a lot in the first 30-90 days so they get even MORE for the initial cost! Of course, while they are doing that (just to get the better deal), they are finding out if they love it as a business. Good luck!

10-09-2009, 03:55 PM	#19
nene960 Location: Illinois Posts: 43 Best Show: 1764 Experience: 3 # of Shows: 85	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? My newest recruit just wanted the value of the kit but when she got it and started training she fell in love with the business. I say sign her!

10-16-2009, 12:37 AM	#20
AmyDare Location: Sacramento, California area Posts: 91 Best Show: 650. Experience: .3 # of Shows: 12	Re: Recruiting Ethics?? She signed!! She emailed me with a few questions and ended it by saying she's starting to get excited, so I'm starting to get excited, too! :-)